where are all the PPQ Threads??

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Bobbyv8

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I just cant believe this pistol isn't blowing up the threads, I just took mine to the range for the first time and shot over 500 rounds, All I can say is WOW!

How are all the M&P/Glock shooters ignoring this pistol????

I hope my G17 enjoys its new home
 
Speaking only for myself, I just can't be bothered to replace dozens of magazines, holsters, etc, for the fairly marginal performance gain of going to a different gun.

The PPQ is a nice pistol, but if you're heavily invested in another, similar platform...you won't gain a whole lot by going from one to the other. And the cost of replacing not just the gun, but all the attendant gear, some of which is harder to track down on a PPQ...

Nice triggers, though.
 
misanthropist said:
Speaking only for myself, I just can't be bothered to replace dozens of magazines, holsters, etc, for the fairly marginal performance gain of going to a different gun.

The PPQ is a nice pistol, but if you're heavily invested in another, similar platform...you won't gain a whole lot by going from one to the other. And the cost of replacing not just the gun, but all the attendant gear, some of which is harder to track down on a PPQ...

Nice triggers, though.
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I hear ya, sorry im still drooling over its trigger.
 
Fundamentals are fundamentals. As misanthropist said its a minimal gain if any for a lot of additional cost and time to change platforms. Coupled with walthers less than stellar track record for reliability and its a hard pass.

Tdc
 
TDC said:
Fundamentals are fundamentals. As misanthropist said its a minimal gain if any for a lot of additional cost and time to change platforms. Coupled with walthers less than stellar track record for reliability and its a hard pass.

Tdc
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Name a manufacture that makes a guaranteed reliable pistol, and ill buy it. Most firearm makers if not all have made a flop or two.
 
It isn't blowing up because canadian retailers are still stocking up the M1 threaded barrel version. I love the look of the original 4" barrel, but the Navy variant that we can get just looks god-awful fugly. When the PPQ M2 5" becomes more readily available up here, then I'll happily buy one.
 
The PPQ is a great pistol but it just does not have the marketing as some others. I love my P99AS and see no reason to replace it with with a PPQ as of yet
 
Bobbyv8 said:
of course the fundamentals are necessary, but a really nice trigger helps.
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A nice trigger is a crutch for most. If you haven't mastered the fundamentals you won't see the benefit in a better trigger. It will cover up your poor form only so much then your performance will plateau.

Defendertech said:
What track record are you referring to TDC?
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Reliability record. I've seen and dealt with more broken/non functioning Walther products than I care to remember. Seeing as the PPQ is new, it has a near zero track record for reliability and durability. It also offers nothing over current pistols that have both substantial track records and widespread support.

Bobbyv8 said:
Name a manufacture that makes a guaranteed reliable pistol, and ill buy it. Most firearm makers if not all have made a flop or two.
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Only taxes and death are guaranteed in life. There are brands that are nearly as reliable, Glock HK and SIG come to mind.

TDC
 
TDC said:
A nice trigger is a crutch for most. If you haven't mastered the fundamentals you won't see the benefit in a better trigger. It will cover up your poor form only so much then your performance will plateau.



Reliability record. I've seen and dealt with more broken/non functioning Walther products than I care to remember. Seeing as the PPQ is new, it has a near zero track record for reliability and durability. It also offers nothing over current pistols that have both substantial track records and widespread support.



Only taxes and death are guaranteed in life. There are brands that are nearly as reliable, Glock HK and SIG come to mind.




TDC
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Have you really seen that many Walthers with problems???

For some reason I don't believe you, but I'm sure you will explain with centanty you have.
 
I speak to an armorer at my club and whereas he thinks the PPQ has a good trigger, he too warns me about Walther, saying he has seen more of them than any other brand go through his shop. As well, the Montreal Police use Walthers and I haven't met one who doesn't have a story about something going south on their sidearm. That's not to say all 4,500 officers have problems with theirs, but the ones I chat with all did.

I'm waiting to see if they got the gremlins out, and if the small intricate parts that were plastic have been replaced with something more robust before I commit.
 
Bobbyv8 said:
Have you really seen that many Walthers with problems???

For some reason I don't believe you, but I'm sure you will explain with centanty you have.
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If you discount the poster above I can tell you that in my past I personally shipped 2 range guns back for warranty due to sheared rails, 2 member guns also had rails sheared. In my time at various ranges and competitions every walther that was there failed. Either chronic stoppages or catastrophic failures, usually shearing rails. I did observe one walther with a split slide starting from the barrel hole.

I know that doesn't represent all the walther pistols out there, but its far more than is acceptable, especially when you consider that walther is far from popular. Not saying the ppq is any better or worse, but I'm not interested in taking the risk on a pistol that offers zero benefits over other brands with a better track record.

Tdc
 
I remember years ago The Shooting Edge reported multiple cases of broken ejectors on the P99. There were some isolated cases of other parts failing in US forums. Recent P99's have 'beefier' parts than old ones. PPQ is basically a P99 with a single action trigger that releases a bit more forward than the P99 trigger, along with changes in grip and slide (mostly cosmetic).

I do find that PPQ's are very intrinsically accurate and offer a tiny bit (in my hands) more accuracy than similar HK's and Glocks that I own. However they do have a high bore axis and kick a little harder than HK or Glock. I also don't like how PPQ uses a very soft polymer in their grip insert. I use the small one which has very thin walls and after a while the grip insert shifts a bit near the top (my hand grip pressure deforms the soft polymer). HK inserts are much tougher and do not deform even under a strong hand grip. PPQ does have a very good trigger. But with practise, Glock trigger and even the longer HK LEM trigger can still accomplish similar results.

PPQ Navy uses a stronger striker spring so when new one may experience failure to battery with wimpy ammo. This can be avoided by breaking in the gun with 100's of rounds, using 147 grain ammo or replacing the Navy striker spring with standard weight spring (my P99AS in contrast is 100% reliable even when limp wristed).

If it means anything, if I'm paying money for a dynamic shooting course I strap on either my P2000 or a Glock 19 as I know they just work with almost any ammo(based on past experience in such courses). I also find the PPQ is a bit bigger than the P2000 and G19 and I prefer smaller guns.
 
I have a PPQ 9mm and it is hands down, the best pistol I have used. The ergonomics are awesome. The trigger is good and with a little polish are absolutely superb. I have put about 1500-2000 rounds through it with about 3 stoppages which were due to ammo, not the pistol. I agree with the OP 100%. This is one pistol I would never trade(unless it was for a new one).

Jason
 
Gundoggy said:
I remember years ago The Shooting Edge reported multiple cases of broken ejectors on the P99. There were some isolated cases of other parts failing in US forums. Recent P99's have 'beefier' parts than old ones. PPQ is basically a P99 with a single action trigger that releases a bit more forward than the P99 trigger, along with changes in grip and slide (mostly cosmetic).

I do find that PPQ's are very intrinsically accurate and offer a tiny bit (in my hands) more accuracy than similar HK's and Glocks that I own. However they do have a high bore axis and kick a little harder than HK or Glock. I also don't like how PPQ uses a very soft polymer in their grip insert. I use the small one which has very thin walls and after a while the grip insert shifts a bit near the top (my hand grip pressure deforms the soft polymer). HK inserts are much tougher and do not deform even under a strong hand grip. PPQ does have a very good trigger. But with practise, Glock trigger and even the longer HK LEM trigger can still accomplish similar results.

PPQ Navy uses a stronger striker spring so when new one may experience failure to battery with wimpy ammo. This can be avoided by breaking in the gun with 100's of rounds, using 147 grain ammo or replacing the Navy striker spring with standard weight spring (my P99AS in contrast is 100% reliable even when limp wristed).

If it means anything, if I'm paying money for a dynamic shooting course I strap on either my P2000 or a Glock 19 as I know they just work with almost any ammo(based on past experience in such courses). I also find the PPQ is a bit bigger than the P2000 and G19 and I prefer smaller guns.
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Does your P2000 fit in the PPQ holster?
 
Nephilim70 said:
I have a PPQ 9mm and it is hands down, the best pistol I have used. The ergonomics are awesome. The trigger is good and with a little polish are absolutely superb. I have put about 1500-2000 rounds through it with about 3 stoppages which were due to ammo, not the pistol. I agree with the OP 100%. This is one pistol I would never trade(unless it was for a new one).

Jason
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What ammo gave you trouble?
 
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