First Anniversary Coming Up, Ottawa Has My FN FAL For A Year

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I purchased an FN FAL from Epps in January of 2014 they didn't mention it was a 12-3, and I forgot to ask. The RCMP sent a letter to Epps requesting the gun be sent to the Forensics lab in Ottawa for inspection. Apparently they are bringing in all 12-3s that are being sold, be checked, some guns have been there for 3 or more Years.
They want to check to see if it is indeed an FN FAL, and the serial number has 12 or 13 digits. Any Verifier can check the serial number and make an amendment.
It sat in their mail room, for three or more months before it was entered into the system, so it doesn't look like its been in their hands for a long time.
I have been calling every few weeks about the gun and always get the same old story "It could be another 6 months".
Also get this one "If something else comes along in an investigation it takes priority".
Epps and I have contacted our MPs about the delays and they have contacted the CFC about it. One guy inspects and another person writes the report. Seems like a lot of guns in the whole country being held hostage by two people.
Do they take vacation, who does their job when absent, and what are their qualifications?
If you have a gun in their hands call 1-800-731-4000 then in my case #1 English #1 for extension #1090 goes to the department that handles such cases.
In the past I called the 1-800 number and asked to be put through to the department. One day the lady at the CFC didn't want to put me through. She went on and on saying that they would only tell me the same thing.
I was polite and didn't say anything until she was finished, I was firm but polite, then I asked her "If she was going to put me through to the department or not?".
She did, that's the first time I have ever had a problem with anyone at the CFC since I started dealing with them.
Everyone can have a bad day.
When the full auto SKS fiasco started, Epps told me that Ontario's CPFO gave dealers about 40 days to have all SKS rifles inspected for a defects or would loose their dealers licence.
The Government gives dealers days to check guns, but they don't give a S**t about guns in the forensics department.
 
Sadly you sound ####ed. I would suggest contacting your MP but you already did that. Contacting the media will do you no good as they pretty much hate all gun owners unless you can get in touch with Sun News and Brian Liley or someone close to him. I wonder if there is a ombudsman you can can contact to file a complaint with?
 
I must have been lucky. My last 12.3 purchase was held up for a week. The seller, a local action house worked very diligently to have the transfer completed and within 6 days I was able to pick it up.

May I ask, what is the concern for 12 or 13 digits on the serial#?
 
Government policy: when it comes to interfering with property ownership, it's best to do so in the most inefficient manner.

The reason why they need a pair of guys is simple; one to restrain your FAL from murderous bloodlust, and the other to supervise him.
 
Wishing you the BEST OF LUCK "Albayo" !!!!!!!!!!!
Simply another Government harassment of firearms owners for legally registered & obtained firearms !!
Albayo, just how easy do you think you could resell the FN if you needed to later??
Did something happen to these guns since they were originally registered ? The ones I'm aware of are just NOT allowably transported to any Ranges.
Perhaps these grain fed bureaucrats are worried that because NO One can use these anymore then they are probably being reconverted out of boredom!
Last time I checked that would be a jail time offence.
One only needs to look at the latest Swiss Arms ,VZ58 ---etc. to see our tax dollars at work!

This especially ticks me off as the ones I own are complete with Gunsmith affidavits , which were required by the "grain eaters" of the day , & deemed ACCEPTABLE.
Since when was there an expiry date to these approvals?
:( :( :(

BTW- Curious, does anyone know if there were any previously registered 12(X) which did not pass their muster?? -- Transfers refused .
 
Calling every week is a start - but you should also be mailing a letter every week.
CC the letter to Minister of Safety, PM, and the RCMP top guy.

Can't say this will really help, but it won't hurt.

I believe actual real correspondence is better than phone calls and emails, etc.
 
Also get this one "If something else comes along in an investigation it takes priority".

Make no mistake. This is a line!

We were fed the same one during my year-long wait on the Vz58 pistol. During one of many phone call conversations after getting bumped up to a supervisor, and mentioning forensics investigations taking priority...

"Oh, we don't do any forensic work here. Only identification."

Don't think for one moment that they're bumping your gun to collect data for the latest Toronto drive by.
 
I forgot to mention I started my layaway payments in October of 2013 and finished paying for it in January 2014.
It wasn't expensive but pensions don't pay big bucks and sometimes money is tight.
I will notify my MPs office again on Monday.
Thanks for your input gentlemen.
 
9 January 2015

Albayo:

Not that this statement will put your issue in any better perspective, but unfortunately yours is not the only 12.x-class Prohib currently being "reviewed" by the RCMP. Along with your FN FAL, we have a VZ.58 purchased from our store on 26 July 2013 that was shipped to the RCMP for "reverification" on 9 October 2013. According to Purolator, that rifle was delivered to the RCMP depot on 10 October 2013, yet despite phone calls and E-mails by myself, and face-to-face inquiries by our manager, we have not had any update to the status of this "review" in nearly 18 months.

And then there is the case of an H&K G3 rifle sold on 7 November 2012. According to the CFO, this gun is a 12.3 Converted Auto. So far it has taken 14 months of argument back and forth between the Registry, the CFO, and our store to come up with no resolution as to the actual status and classification of this firearm.

This is by no means an attempt to make light of your situation, Albayo, only to advise yourself and others who read this thread that these situations do exist, and that despite the efforts we have made and are continuing to make toward resolving these situations, it appears to be the position of someone within the office of The Powers That Be that these guns should never fall into the hands of rightfully-licensed owners who have followed the required procedures to acquire and maintain their 12x status licenses, and have purchased those firearms in good faith, only to have the Big Brother of our government intervene in that transfer and sale "for the sake of public safety".

Hopefully some day we will see a version of the Common Sense Firearms Act actually come to light. And perhaps on that day a good portion of the BS that dominates this industry will find itself flushed away at last.

We can only hope. . . .
 
I would like to thank Epps for their efforts on my behalf and others, for contacting the CFC about the problem putting up with the BS and stone walling.
Most dealers won't handle 12-3s because of the hassle. I will buy or trade another one from them just to support them in the hopes they won't give up handling CAs.
 
I suspect that it is all part of the RCMPs agenda . They really do not want the public owning or possessing 12-3 class firearms ; so they hold up , and drag out the transfer as long as possiable to discourage people......it all appears to be part of the RCMPs anti-gun game to make private ownership of some types of firearms as difficult as possiable.....and they seem to be accountable to no one...
 
Man something I am regreting as my 32 has been listed as prohibited in error due to barrel length hopefully my letter from Browning will assist my case. Looks like I'm into a fight against all the police forces in Canada?
 
I purchased an FN FAL from Epps in January of 2014 they didn't mention it was a 12-3, and I forgot to ask. The RCMP sent a letter to Epps requesting the gun be sent to the Forensics lab in Ottawa for inspection. Apparently they are bringing in all 12-3s that are being sold, be checked, some guns have been there for 3 or more Years.
They want to check to see if it is indeed an FN FAL, and the serial number has 12 or 13 digits. Any Verifier can check the serial number and make an amendment.
It sat in their mail room, for three or more months before it was entered into the system, so it doesn't look like its been in their hands for a long time.
I have been calling every few weeks about the gun and always get the same old story "It could be another 6 months".
Also get this one "If something else comes along in an investigation it takes priority".
Epps and I have contacted our MPs about the delays and they have contacted the CFC about it. One guy inspects and another person writes the report. Seems like a lot of guns in the whole country being held hostage by two people.
Do they take vacation, who does their job when absent, and what are their qualifications?
If you have a gun in their hands call 1-800-731-4000 then in my case #1 English #1 for extension #1090 goes to the department that handles such cases.
In the past I called the 1-800 number and asked to be put through to the department. One day the lady at the CFC didn't want to put me through. She went on and on saying that they would only tell me the same thing.
I was polite and didn't say anything until she was finished, I was firm but polite, then I asked her "If she was going to put me through to the department or not?".
She did, that's the first time I have ever had a problem with anyone at the CFC since I started dealing with them.
Everyone can have a bad day.
When the full auto SKS fiasco started, Epps told me that Ontario's CPFO gave dealers about 40 days to have all SKS rifles inspected for a defects or would loose their dealers licence.
The Government gives dealers days to check guns, but they don't give a S**t about guns in the forensics department.

Apparently your FN FAL is too dangerous for you to own, even though you are properly licensed to own it.
 
I suspect that it is all part of the RCMPs agenda . They really do not want the public owning or possessing 12-3 class firearms ; so they hold up , and drag out the transfer as long as possiable to discourage people........

and its working...

I have lost a couple of deals on 12(3) guns because I couldn't guarantee the gun wouldn't be stolen by coppers....

And I wont buy any new CAs for the same reason...
 
Man something I am regreting as my 32 has been listed as prohibited in error due to barrel length hopefully my letter from Browning will assist my case. Looks like I'm into a fight against all the police forces in Canada?

32? Barrel length is irrelevant.
 
file a lawsuit in small claims court for theft (in essence failure to act in a timely manor which is depriving you of your right to legally owned property) ????????
 
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