Unfortunate M1A failure.

I'm not the guy preaching buy norinco.... Don't know where folks get that from. Misplaced perceptions I guess. I own an LRB and norinco with nuthin but the chinese receiver.
BUT my opinion on the internet is just as valid as anyone else's.
You guys all take my advice on so many things M14 related and I get praised for all the sharing and time I've spent here typing what I type.
BUT as soon as I start down the springfield road... Panties get in a knot and I become someone who you don't want to listen to and I'm labelled as being unprofessional.
I find that a strange circumstance.
I'll finish with... Friends don't let friends buy springfields LOL

I hope at least some of you will take my last comment as my attempt at humour ;)
 
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45ACPKING said:
I'm not the guy preaching buy norinco.... Don't know where folks get that from. Misplaced perceptions I guess. I own an LRB and norinco with nuthin but the chinese receiver.
BUT my opinion on the internet is just as valid as anyone else's.
You guys all take my advice on so many things M14 related and I get praised for all the sharing and time I've spent here typing what I type.
BUT as soon as I start down the springfield road... Panties get in a knot and I become someone who you don't want to listen to and I'm labelled as being unprofessional.
I find that a strange circumstance.
I'll finish with... Friends don't let friends buy springfields LOL
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Ok friend I'll sell my super match and order a fully jammed LRB
 
PitBull1973 said:
Ok friend I'll sell my super match and order a fully jammed LRB
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I am keeping both my NM's, they are awsome rifles, this gentleman want to hate them, i have no problem with that, they will be accurate and reliable the same tomorrow... Long time ago, i learned to appreciate what i have, i will do just that... Cheers. JP.
 
I'll say one last thing. I'm not trying to troll you folks LOL
Just because any of you own or choose to buy an M1A doesn't cause me to sit here thinking any less of you. I really don't care what rifle people choose to buy, shoot or own.
I don't really have a favorite brand of M14 either although if the real 12/3 M14 rifles in Canada ever come off the prohib list.... I'd trade my custom 5000.00 LRB M25 or maybe it's fully loaded norinco cousin for a couple VG+ condition genuine usgi versions and call it a day.
From now on tho , I'm going to photo document every issue I personally find with the springers that cross my path so I can provide a correct basis for my more than obvious bias.
The root of which is my disgust in the high price tag of rifles that I feel aren't worthy of it given the things I've seen.
 
45ACPKING said:
I'll say one last thing. I'm not trying to troll you folks LOL
Just because any of you own or choose to buy an M1A doesn't cause me to sit here thinking any less of you. I really don't care what rifle people choose to buy, shoot or own.
I don't really have a favorite brand of M14 either although if the real 12/3 M14 rifles in Canada ever come off the prohib list.... I'd trade my custom 5000.00 LRB M25 or maybe it's fully loaded norinco cousin for a couple VG+ condition genuine usgi versions and call it a day.
From now on tho , I'm going to photo document every issue I personally find with the springers that cross my path so I can provide a correct basis for my more than obvious bias.
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Will you also documented those NM with 5K rounds tru them without a failure that still shoot around MOA with quality factory ammo, this part could be not in accordance with what you are saying... Just saying... JP.
 
klaus enuff said:
There is another thread up a member posted about his new SAI NM. Very nice from looking at the pics, definately better fit and finish than a Norc. I am pretty sure if the owner and I both showed up at the range at the same time we could still have a good time shooting together, regardless of who made our guns. I have to say the CGN'ers I have met face to face have all been decent people. Easy to misread stuff or misinterpret a comment online, in person I think we would be more alike than not.
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Nicely said. Life is short. Strive for harmony. Personal experiences are real but may be different from the experiences of others. State your opinion then move on. Spend time with your family and not writing some long rebuttle that won't change someone else's personal experience.

Safe shooting.
 
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Hey Klaus, nice to see you still in the M-14 game. I cannot remember a better time than the clinic followed by the M-14 deer hunt with Thomas. Wish you could have stayed longer. Thomas, PLEEEEEASE offer this again.
 
tiriaq said:
Unless there has been a change, SAI receivers are cast in Montreal.
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Seafury said:
Yes and Quebec has a high tech aerospace industry. I feel pretty confident about their ability to produce quality castings.
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I don't understand this logic. What does casting of SAI receivers in Quebec have to do with other companies aerospace industry?

Similarly, just because the PRC makes tons of dollar store toys and what not doesn't mean they can't build a solid receiver.

Seems to be a lot of type casting of a country/nation area being represented by only a few products.

Sidenote: Collectively, let's get away from the politcal gibberish. Don't want to buy something from the PRC, then don't. Just judge the quality of the product by what it is.

I have firearms from all sorts of countries: Germany, USA, China, USSR(yes USSR, pre-Russian Federation), Canada, etc etc...
Do I choose my firearms based on geo-political preferences? NO because that would be moronic. The average person spends much more on common use items that are say made in China or parts of which are made in China that the odd firearm here and there is irrelevant from an economic perspective. Unless you say you never shopped at Walmart, Canadian Tire. Even a bulk of edible items have ingredients from China. Eg: Canadian grain for cereal, only that all the food colouring and etc is from.....
 
MustangFrank said:
Hey Klaus, nice to see you still in the M-14 game. I cannot remember a better time than the clinic followed by the M-14 deer hunt with Thomas. Wish you could have stayed longer. Thomas, PLEEEEEASE offer this again.
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Thanks Frank, I wish I could have stayed longer too. I know Thomas has said he has retired but if he ever wants to do a hunt/clinic like that again I am interested for sure. I wonder what we can do to positively influence him into doing another ;)
 
Winz said:
I don't understand this logic. What does casting of SAI receivers in Quebec have to do with other companies aerospace industry?

Similarly, just because the PRC makes tons of dollar store toys and what not doesn't mean they can't build a solid receiver.

Seems to be a lot of type casting of a country/nation area being represented by only a few products.

Sidenote: Collectively, let's get away from the politcal gibberish. Don't want to buy something from the PRC, then don't. Just judge the quality of the product by what it is.

I have firearms from all sorts of countries: Germany, USA, China, USSR(yes USSR, pre-Russian Federation), Canada, etc etc...
Do I choose my firearms based on geo-political preferences? NO because that would be moronic. The average person spends much more on common use items that are say made in China or parts of which are made in China that the odd firearm here and there is irrelevant from an economic perspective. Unless you say you never shopped at Walmart, Canadian Tire. Even a bulk of edible items have ingredients from China. Eg: Canadian grain for cereal, only that all the food colouring and etc is from.....
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I would suppose it has something to do with the ability of their manufacturing industry to produce high quality components. I doubt if SAI receivers are the only thing they cast. They also make high quality marionettes and maple syrup in Quebec.

A few products? Almost everything they make in China is junk. If their M14 is decent its one of a very few things.

Politics is a very good reason to boycott a product in my mind. But I'm a moron.
 
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Update

From the thread on m14forums.

From OP "Spoke with Rob today of SAI, who cited overpressure and possibly a head spacing issue. When I offered to send the case for inspection the offer was declined. New receiver and bolt is about 700$ + labor.

Off to SEI it goes.."

Basically as of now SAI is not going to replace the receiver for free and there was alot of back n fourth on this issue, seeing as how the barrel was replaced that it would no longer fall under warranty as it is not the same rifle that left the factory etc.

**This is a quick summary of the new info from me, If you want to see all the new info copy the link at the bottom**

New info starts on page 10

http://m14forum.com/modern-m14/172001-you-win-some-you-lose-some-rip-m1a-10.html
 
Ive seen a Norinco one crack. Good luck with the Norico warranty (non existent). However, I have heard good things about the folks at the new Springfield armory. We shall see.
 
CeeJay said:
From the thread on m14forums.

From OP "Spoke with Rob today of SAI, who cited overpressure and possibly a head spacing issue. When I offered to send the case for inspection the offer was declined. New receiver and bolt is about 700$ + labor.

Off to SEI it goes.."

Basically as of now SAI is not going to replace the receiver for free and there was alot of back n fourth on this issue, seeing as how the barrel was replaced that it would no longer fall under warranty as it is not the same rifle that left the factory etc.

**This is a quick summary of the new info from me, If you want to see all the new info copy the link at the bottom**

New info starts on page 10

http://m14forum.com/modern-m14/172001-you-win-some-you-lose-some-rip-m1a-10.html
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Well so I guess it's safe to say that SA is not at fault?
 
More like not accepting fault weather they are at fault or not they have a loophole and they are taking that route.

Considering how public this issue is its surprising they didn't just replace the reciever on a publicity standpoint , Instead they cheaped out but imagine the praise they would have had if they just replaced it.
I mean honestly they could have just said in statement " we at Springfield Armory do not feel this receiver failure was fault of Springfield but we are replacing it anyways".

And everyone would have been in awe of how great their warranty is.

I mean honestly how much do you think it costs springfield to manufacture a receiver probably 100$ in manpower and material to make one esp since they are just casted which is much cheaper to do than forging.
 
leonard said:
More like not accepting fault weather they are at fault or not they have a loophole and they are taking that route.

Considering how public this issue is its surprising they didn't just replace the reciever on a publicity standpoint , Instead they cheaped out but imagine the praise they would have had if they just replaced it.
I mean honestly they could have just said in statement " we at Springfield Armory do not feel this receiver failure was fault of Springfield but we are replacing it anyways".

And everyone would have been in awe of how great their warranty is.

I mean honestly how much do you think it costs springfield to manufacture a receiver probably 100$ in manpower and material to make one esp since they are just casted which is much cheaper to do than forging.
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Really? Any manufactor out there would have done the same thing and they have the right to do so. If you buy something knowing that if you modify it your warranty is done then there shouldn't be any reason to whine about it. Try buying a sports car and swapping parts from the engine and then the motor goes BOOM , you think they are going to give you a new engine. Your dreaming
 
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nice sentiment, but look at the label on the clothes you wear, the products in your household, the parts on your vehicle, then tell me about your boycott. the truth hurts.
 
Its their decision.

Its very similar to in the computer industry with video cards .. some honor warranty if you have removed the screws on the heatsink to replace thermal paste or put a waterblock on it. Some do not.
Those that do however get rave reviews of honoring warranties which results in more and more people having faith in their products and purchasing them.

Also similar to some companies warranting the Serial # not the buyer meaning it doesn't mater if your the original owner a warranty for X amount of time Lifetime or how ever long the period is , is guaranteed.

Some companies would rather loophole out of it some would rather make the customer happy and satisfied.

In this case particularly SAI would have been wise to honor this warranty for publicity if the only reason.

My point is for the small cost likely to springfield personally on a fairly public case i found it odd they didnt just deal with it with a replaced receiver instead of pulling the "not our fault" card.
 
I think they made a smart choice and I'll tell you why. When the owner of that rifle in question publicizes on a forum that his modified SA blew up, do you think SA should help the guy out , no way because that sends a message to everyone out there that you can mod your rifle and don't worry SA will take care of you. Sure it would be a bonus if SA gave him a replacement but unfortunately for buddy it didn't happen. On the other hand if it is the fault of the barrel then maybe SEI should pay
 
and if the barrel change had nothing to do with the receiver failing ? and it was bolt roller & receiver contact that caused it but they used the SEI as a scapegoat i guess then the guy on the customer end of this is out a lot of $.

its been sent out to SEI i can see this turning into a fingerpointing session quickly though.

In the end the OP of that thread is likely going to be out Shipping both ways x2 and hundreds of $ on a new receiver and fitting from a gunsmith.

The only thing hes got to be thankful of this experience is that he didn't get killed.

I am not a smith so i will wait for people far more qualified than I to conclude this story . I was talking from a PR standpoint and what would have been good for SAI's personal PR and reputation towards their warranty of which they pride themselves on.
 
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