Actually, after reading your post carefully, I just realized those would be bogus charges, would not stand a chance in court. Remember the onus is not on me to make my firearms "absolutelly theft proof", hence why we have actual storage regulations. As long as they are carefully observed and followed the law is in theory on the owners side.
SKS trunk gun ammo storage??
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could happen... would not... or you could say
the scenario I listed would be a bogus charge
the scenario I listed may not be a bogus charge
the scenario I listed should not be a bogus charge
its all a matter of opinion unless there is case law to back up an opinion.
MY Opinion, its not a big deal to leave my legally stored firearm in my trunk over night. well i get charged. Highly unlikely.
Nailed it.
perhaps you are the one that cant read, for the 3rd time in this thread, AS LONG AS YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE LAW YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT...
you can talk what if's all day long and it does not change facts, "if" your aunt had a pee pee she would be your uncle!!
This is why I should just keep my mouth shut.......because as soon as I open it, this is the kind of thing I have to deal with. You are ignoring the obvious logic of the situation.
You said: "They would not stand a chance in court"
You may be 100% right. But you can't even follow the conversation. We aren't even talking about what would happen in a courtroom. We are talking about whether or not a person could be charged.
You said: "As long as they are carefully observed and followed the law is in theory on the owners side."
However the firearms are stored, if an officer takes everything into account and deems that the storing of the firearm was careless, you could be charged. So the question is "Is it possible to meet an officer who would be of the opinion that even though my gun was locked in my trunk, that it was careless of me to leave it in the car instead of bringing it inside?"
The obvious answer to that question is yes. It is possible.
I don't think you people understand that the discretion is the officer's as to whether or not a charge is laid. It's up to them to determine if they think you were careless or not. And if I'm saying all of this and I actually don't care about people leaving guns in their vehicles (which I don't), imagine the officers you could end up dealing with. They may be severely anti-gun. They could also be extremely positive about guns. They may have a gun safe with 30 guns at home. You never know. It all depends on who you get. A lot is possible.
Hey ding dong, we are debating about whether or not leaving a gun in your trunk over night IS following the law. Ok? But thanks for the amazing post.
You know what I've noticed? I'm giving extremely detailed reasons and logic behind my arguments, yet anyone who disagrees is simply typing short little posts because they can't really back anything up with logic.
If someone is reading this thread and trying to determine whether or not to keep a gun in their vehicle at all times, just know this: It may be safer (legally) not to do so. But the choice is up to you. You can read the back and forth and figure out who's making the most sense here.
I think sometimes people here just think what they want to think regardless of common sense indicating something contrary.
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What was the question
Here's a little gem of all you geniuses on here who think they know exactly how everything would play out: If a senior citizen can be charged for defending himself against 2-3 home invaders, one of whom was allegedly armed, why do you think it's TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE for a police officer to view leaving a gun in your trunk overnight as careless?
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2015/01/20150116-072914.html
If this man can be charged in this circumstance, against all common sense..........why is it so unthinkable for me to be right about what I've said?
Geniuses......
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2015/01/20150116-072914.html
If this man can be charged in this circumstance, against all common sense..........why is it so unthinkable for me to be right about what I've said?
Geniuses......
typically the police are not going to lay charges unless they believe they will hold up in court, these charges will not, probably why you do not have any proof on file of it happening, you do realize there is a relationship between laying charges and court, do you think for a second a officer is not responsible for the time and money wasted taking bogus charges to court, if all criteria is met under the letter of the law for storage how can you have careless storage? just asking you to think about that is all, your posts on this thread are all loaded with words like imagine, scenario, opinion, discretion, possible.
the o.p simply carries a sks in his trunk, provided trigger locked, unloaded and trunk locked it can be there as long as he likes and there are no charges to be laid because there are no laws broken. is it safe = yes
once again how is this relevant to a firearm locked in a trunk, just let it go, and I have never suggested I was a genius
the article you supplied tnsaf has a couple faults, unfortunately as sad as it is to say, the fellow broke the law, most Canadians know these particular laws too well and we know if we go beyond them we will likely be charged, I am certainly not condoning these terrible laws on defending yourself and your family, you should be able at all costs do so in my opinion of course, but as we all know we will be charged, so he in fact did break the law, 2nd he did get off, prob cost a fortune but he was aqquitted
oh, I see, thanks for the heads up, seems most posts are arguments, cheers
+ he called me a ding dong, awesome, lol, can he be charged by cgn?? of course if it was the right scenario
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Calling someone a ding dong. May or may not get you an infraction. Which would be like maybe or maybe not getting hypothetically charged.. Maybe if something something.
Is this the guy who chased them out of the house with his gun and then started shooting at the car as it drove away? Because yeah, shooting at a car driving away is pretty ####ing reckless, regardless of whether they just tried to rob you or not.
Lets see one example of someone having a gun stolen from their car and they WERE NOT charged??? Your argument is flawed. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence - that is to say, just because you can't prove something, doesn't mean its disproven. Thats like saying because there is no proof of God, there is no God. Go tell that to the Pope.
I think the whole guns-in-cars debate really boils down to whether you are rural or urban. If you live in the city, like me, having a gun in the car all the time is a bad idea due to possibility of theft of either just the gun, or both the car and gun. If the gun gets stolen, you run the possibility of being charged (if you don't, show me an example of someone who had their gun stolen out of their car and didn't get charged)
Not to mention you are providing anti's with ammo to use against us. How happy do you think they would be if they could paint most gun owners as irresponsible? "OMG They keep guns in their cars for no reason!? death to the childrenz!!"
Or how about this scenario... Your car gets stolen. They get your gun. And a few rounds of ammo. And the insurance papers that say where you live. Now they come and kick your door in at 1am, and rob you with your own gun.
If on the other hand you are rural, have a 2km long driveway, nobody lives anywhere near you, and you have 12 dogs who bark up a storm that wakes up the neighbors if so much as a crow lands on your property, then sure, a gun in your car is probably not a big deal. Its all relative.
To the OP, if you are concerned with long-term storage in the car, get a vacuum sealer, and seal up your ammo. That'll make it last for at least a few years, regardless of temperature swings.
Bottom line - if the LEO thinks he's right, he'll lay charges. Whether or not they hold up in court is another thing. So it really doesn't matter how "legal" you are, you can still be charged. You won't win an argument on the side of the road with an LEO if he feels he's right and you're wrong.
You are very right. But very much of it has to do with how WE(US) the gun owner handle the situation...most times, a fair reasonable explanation, will always make the officer think twice. I mean if one swears at a cop and calls him/her names, it might get a bit harder to explain. A lot of cops are aware of the fact they simply cannot know every law in existence and they might even realize(if the gun owner does not come across as an imbecil) that the gun owner might actually know the law better in such an instance. But as soon as a pissing match takes place, there will be no winners on either side.
