Someone Please School me on American Brace Laws....

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Like my title says, what are the legalities of using a brace to shoot a short barreled rifle in the States? I see them mentioned all the time on various sites I just dont know the theory or reasons regarding them.
 
It's not using a brace on a SBR, it's using a brace on a pistol that can be an issue.

You probably know about SBR's and the licencing requirements, but you can own that length of upper and build it as a pistol to avoid the SBR fees and registration (if you even can in your state.)

Now, the ATF is saying that using a brace on a pistol can make it an SBR, and then you'd be in possession of an unregistered SBR, a world of hurt.

They are OK to use attached, or strapped to your forearm, but if you start using them as a very short shoulder stock... issues ensue.

This makes about as much sense as the infamous shoelace machine gun, but hey... ATF.
 
ATF gave an opinion that shouldering the Sig brace on a pistol was okay a while ago.

They've recently issued another opinion letter that shouldering a Sig brace on a pistol would mean it was a stock, thus making it an unregistered SBR when shouldered.
 
Stevo said:
ATF gave an opinion that shouldering the Sig brace on a pistol was okay a while ago.

They've recently issued another opinion letter that shouldering a Sig brace on a pistol would mean it was a stock, thus making it an unregistered SBR when shouldered.
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This.

The SBR laws are thier equivalent to our restricted laws.

Pistols are treated as the equivalent of non-restricteds. So the Sig arm Brace was of correct shape that it allowed it to be shouldered, essentially allowing you to have a "non restricted" SBR. The ATF initially said this was fine, bit have recently started back pedaling by saying that by shouldering the brace you are essentially converting your pistol to an SBR and all Tax stamps and associated laws apply.

Its a very similar case to how our .50 Beo mags are being called "dual use" by the RCMP.
 
The brace is not illegal on a pistol in the USA regardless if you use it as it was designed or shouldered as a stock. Not trying to hijack the thread but just where did you see the RCMP calling the .50 Beo mags "dual use" and what's the result? I have a number of them. (real ones from AA not PCV)

Moe
 
Moe said:
The brace is not illegal on a pistol in the USA regardless if you use it as it was designed or shouldered as a stock.

Moe
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ATF is saying differently.

https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/f...ter_on_the_redesign_of_stabilizing_braces.pdf

These items are intended to improve accuracy by using the operator’s forearm to provide stable support for the AR-type pistol. ATF has previously determined that attaching the brace to a firearm does not alter the classification of the firearm or subject the firearm to National Firearms Act (NFA) control. However, this classification is based upon the use of the device as designed. When the device is redesigned for use as a shoulder stock on a handgun with a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length, the firearm is properly classified as a firearm under the NFA.
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Moe said:
The brace is not illegal on a pistol in the USA regardless if you use it as it was designed or shouldered as a stock. Not trying to hijack the thread but just where did you see the RCMP calling the .50 Beo mags "dual use" and what's the result? I have a number of them. (real ones from AA not PCV)

Moe
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Moe, while you are correct in your statment about those Beo mags, the Elander ones were deemed dual use. There are some fresh ones in production right now by C-products that I suspect will also be deemed dual use. Then there is also the case of the AIA mags being deemed dual use.

See where I am going with this?


Don't worry the AA ones are safe... for now. And I hope they are always safe as I have $1k invested in em.
 
Wow. My mistake. Things do change indeed. This is an odd ruling though. To charge one with the brace, you would need to be caught shooting from the shoulder.
Thanks for clearing up the .50 mag issue. I'm safe. All mine are AA.

Moe
 
Moe said:
Wow. My mistake. Things do change indeed. This is an odd ruling though. To charge one with the brace, you would need to be caught shooting from the shoulder.
Thanks for clearing up the .50 mag issue. I'm safe. All mine are AA.

Moe
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Tim from MAC describes it best in this FB post.
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I love how in the comments section there is a guy shouldering his 1911... lol
 
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