100 Yard Shotgun Patterns?

bubba682 said:
100 yrds he must of been usin 4 buck lead lol i do alot of reloaden for my 10 i think 100 yds is bs steel bleeds off energy fast and patterns break up to fast,we do alot of pass shooten here cause we don't have the big farms or flocks like the rest of the country.I use f over bbb it holds together pretty good to 60yds in between there and 70 the pattern is gone so i keep my shots under 60.When i could afford hevi shot b that stuff was the bomb i shot a goose at 75yrds cause it dropped right were its hit strait down we paced it anyway it was hit by 6 pellets.5 went clean thru the other side of the body i think that stuff would carry enough energy out that far but it would be pure luck to hit it i'd say if anything it would be wounded.Steel even f or t after 75yrds wouldn't have the energy needed to penetrate the bird to kill it maybe get a flight feather or wound it if anything.They got a penetraion chart at duckhunting chat on differant size shot,type an range on ballistic gel its pretty interesting .40 yds and in steel work best after that you need a good choke and experiances cause most guys can't figure out how to judge out to 40 let alone a 100 lol....
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Wow. You've got a lot of good information in that post. Unfortunately, your sentence structure gave me a massive aneurism, and I was unable to finish reading it before dropping dead. :p


Seriously though, that ballistics gel thing sounds interesting. Do you have a link to it?
 
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kodiakjack said:
Wow. You've got a lot of good information in that post. Unfortunately, your sentence structure gave me a massive aneurism, and I was unable to finish reading it before dropping dead. :p


Seriously though, that ballistics gel thing sounds interesting. Do you have a link to it?
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NO link just go to duckhunting chat do a search on the lowery chart you sound like a nerd so that shouldn't be hard lol....aneurisms are over rated....
 
Silliest thread I've read in a long while.

100 yard shots to consistently drop waterfowl? I make them regularly from the back of my flying unicorn!
 
Mds694 said:
Read post #52 in the Downsides to 3.5"? thread a few below this one.
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HAHAHAHA, I don't know about "Can't Rope the Wind"....I think poster #52 is having trouble with roping reality.

Really Guns.....all you did was raise one eyebrow? That is some seriously funny $hit!
 
Here's what I do know about judging distances.

I play golf and I hunt. Both require the ability to judge distances accurately. I spent 8 years running my dog at Labarriere Park outside of Winnipeg. Just about every time I went, I would be practicing judging distance, between 20 and 300 yards.

You get better but only with effort. Most people have no idea once they are past 20-25 yards. They are just guessing. Unless they golf....that helps.
 
canvasback said:
Here's what I do know about judging distances.

I play golf and I hunt. Both require the ability to judge distances accurately. I spent 8 years running my dog at Labarriere Park outside of Winnipeg. Just about every time I went, I would be practicing judging distance, between 20 and 300 yards.

You get better but only with effort. Most people have no idea once they are past 20-25 yards. They are just guessing. Unless they golf....that helps.
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Judging distance in the air, is nothing like judging distance on the ground. On the ground you have landmarks and reference points to compare to, which you don't have in the air. Even judging the distance across a deep valley is much tougher than judging distance on a relatively flat field
 
Wouldn't argue with you for a second, Stubble. My point was that it is hard and it takes practice. And even then it is still difficult.
 
canvasback said:
Here's what I do know about judging distances.

I play golf and I hunt. Both require the ability to judge distances accurately. I spent 8 years running my dog at Labarriere Park outside of Winnipeg. Just about every time I went, I would be practicing judging distance, between 20 and 300 yards.

You get better but only with effort. Most people have no idea once they are past 20-25 yards. They are just guessing. Unless they golf....that helps.
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Another little thing that helped me:

7 or 8 years ago I picked up a Garmin Nuvi driving gps. I thought it was cool so I left it on everywhere I drove, regardless of whether or not I needed directions. Judging distances became a game to keep me occupied on routine commutes. At every stop sign or light, I'd pick a mail box or flag pole or parked car, and take a guess. Then as I passed it, I'd check the gps and see how close I was. I'm pretty good out to a kilometer now.

I also golf. I play the same "game" in my head. Take a guess, then check with the range finder.

As for the challenges of judging distances in the air, I totally agree. As a pilot, I'm used to judging distances in the air, but we're talking tens of miles not yards. No practical use for hunting.
 
canvasback said:
HAHAHAHA, I don't know about "Can't Rope the Wind"....I think poster #52 is having trouble with roping reality.

Really Guns.....all you did was raise one eyebrow? That is some seriously funny $hit!
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Well, one time I was sitting on a rat house in the middle of a dry slough. I see this black bird flying around, just a barely discernible black speck. My buddy sitting beside me (was a big rat house) says to me "take em". So I took a bead and let fly with #4 2 3/4" Canadian Tire Supreme load. Low and behold a big Canada Goose fell out of the sky. The hard part was the 2 hours it took us to dig it out of the ground. The impact was so bad that we had pureed goose so we took it to a nursing home.
 
gunsaholic said:
Well, one time I was sitting on a rat house in the middle of a dry slough. I see this black bird flying around, just a barely discernible black speck. My buddy sitting beside me (was a big rat house) says to me "take em". So I took a bead and let fly with #4 2 3/4" Canadian Tire Supreme load. Low and behold a big Canada Goose fell out of the sky. The hard part was the 2 hours it took us to dig it out of the ground. The impact was so bad that we had pureed goose so we took it to a nursing home.
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Many today would say he died from lead poisoning :) Was that with your 12 1/2" barrel and cyl choke :)
 
Jeez Guns, if I didn't know better I'd say you and Roping Whatever fish together. Hahahaha! I bet it fed the whole nursing home for a week. Maybe it was one of those super rare Greater Greater Greater Canada's.You know, the 50 pound ones......?

And answer 3macs1 question! I too want to know if you did it with that extra long 12 1/2" barrel, or were you using your 12 gauge revolver?

I can use all the helpful information I can get.
 
Kodiak, good idea. I drive a lot and mostly just get annoyed at my GPS talking to me. Spends too much time "recalculating". But that's a good game.
 
i don't have any pics but i just did this test last week with a parker shotgun. it has 32" barrels and full chokes. i was using paper plates to test. at 25m it peppered the plates hardcore, 50m it peppered the plate pretty hardcore, 75 it would not quite pepper but i had to aim quite high to get it to hit the plate. i think it would kill a bird at that range though. at 100m i had to aim really really high and got it to get a few pellets on paper. this is with lead 1 1/8oz 7.5 shot universal load in a 2 3/4" shell. if a guy told me he shot a goose at 100m with a 3.5" steel shot shell i would just tell him he's full of ####. all my tests were done firing both barrels of the sxs parker at the same time so no way a single 3.5" steel shot would do it even at 75m.
 
westcoaster90 said:
i don't have any pics but i just did this test last week with a parker shotgun. it has 32" barrels and full chokes. i was using paper plates to test. at 25m it peppered the plates hardcore, 50m it peppered the plate pretty hardcore, 75 it would not quite pepper but i had to aim quite high to get it to hit the plate. i think it would kill a bird at that range though. at 100m i had to aim really really high and got it to get a few pellets on paper. this is with lead 1 1/8oz 7.5 shot universal load in a 2 3/4" shell. if a guy told me he shot a goose at 100m with a 3.5" steel shot shell i would just tell him he's full of ####. all my tests were done firing both barrels of the sxs parker at the same time so no way a single 3.5" steel shot would do it even at 75m.
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IMO your test has little value with 7 1/2 shot for the discussion here. Don't get in the way of steel goose loads at 75 yards or you are going to feel some serious HURT
T shot for example has been tested and at 73 yards penetrated 1.8 inches in ballastic gel and still had the required energy to kill waterfowl the link I posted earlier is worth reading

I have killed many a goose at 75 yards with my 10 gauges with lead . bismuth, tungsten and steel and when guiding groups for over 10 years seen 100 times what I have taken being killed at 65-75. Don't care if it was skill or fluke the dead goose was still the end result
Yes 100 is too far unless you fluke a pellet but 75 stone dead if you are on them with the right load
Shotgun pellets can travel a long way. Not saying 7 1/2 shot at 100 yards is going to kill you but it sure could take your eye sight
Here small example
Lymans 4th Edition Shotshell Reloading Manual lists maximum ranges of the different size pellets on page 132.

At 1200 FPS a #7 1/2 will travel 237 yards horizontally, and a #8 will travel 230 yards.

Which is why standard fallout distance requirements recommended by the NRA Shotgun Range construction manual is 300 Yards and no hunting loads here being used.
Cheers
 
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gunsaholic said:
Okay, I have to admit that I had a bit of an advantage. I was using a 25" barrel with modified choke. The sun was in my eyes though!
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I believe you. My grandmother used a muzzle-loading 12-gauge. She would always put in 1/4 cup of salt in after the wad and before the shot. I asked her why. She said "To keep the meat from spoiling before I get there." That's how long her shots were.
 
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