Blood Stain on Military Rifle Help

One thing about blood on wood, it promotes decay very quickly. If that is really a bloodstain and there is no decay underneath that would mean someone had to stabilize it. Blood really soaks into wood when given the opportunity otherwise it just crusts up on the surface of whatever finish is on the stock.

IMHO the chances of it being blood are very slim. I saw a Boer Mauser that had blood left on it. The rifle had been given to a young Boer and the inscription on the side reads "AAN H.A.A. vd. BERG
GE SCHINK van G.N vd. BERG
ZAR"
The inscription which is had carved also included leaves and some sort of flower.

When I got the stock, it had the wrong rifle in it. Sadly it had been opened up to accept a small ring 98 receiver. The thing is, there was a blood stain on the right side of the butt. It had soaked into the wood and the wood was crumbling and soft. The blood had entered between the butt plate and the unfinished butt face.

The fellow I got the rifle from is long gone. He wasn't allowed to bring the complete rifle into Canada when he immigrated so he only brought the stock. That's his story anyway.

To make a long story short, the blood isn't human. It came from a Cardston Alta. area Moose during the 1930s. The dark brown stains show how dry the stock must have been. The blood soaked in about 1/2cm for appx 3cm. When I bought the rifle, long story, the owner had reached that age where using it was no longer an option. I bought his rifle because I liked him and as a keepsake of our friendship.

The previous owner had tried to cut out the area with the blood because the butt end and surface wood under the finish were crumbling. He never finished it and I never attempted to. Likely, it will get turned into a cribbage board.

I have seen other wood stocks that blood has soaked into and decay quickly follows if it isn't cleaned and addressed quickly.
 
Ill be sure to check out to see if its possible to have it tested.

My post was 100% sarcasm. Not just the end.

DNA databases are super recent and you'll have to pay a good sum. Keep it but not much more you can do.
Could give some info (ethnicity etc.) but clearly not an identity match.
 
im just surprised more of this sort of thing is not found especially with the mosin nagants

Well... my particular rifle is in its original condition, as it was taken off the battlefield. The mosins underwent a rigorous and messy refurbishment and repair process that often removed any stains or marks etc. You are more likely to find these things on non refurbished guns.

The only cool things I have found on mosins are either "kill notches" or little carvings (presumably) soldiers made.
You can thank the refurb process for that.
 
If you think you may ever want a DNA test done on it, for now, keep it away from UV light. UV will degrade DNA. If you want to wait until DNA testing is cheaper, then get an FTA card and get some of the blood (rehydrate with distilled water) that you think has been the most shielded from UV light and put the blood on the FTA card for preservation. It will keep indefinitely on the FTA card.
 
I almost fell off my chair laughing!

Ill be sure to check out to see if its possible to have it tested.

I'm just saying if the sample was good enough to be tested and you sent to the result to one of those genealogy/ancestry websites there's a slim chance that might go somewhere.
 
I'm jealous. Would love to have a gun with obvious signs of use in battle.

I do have a WW2 era flag that appears to have blood splatter on it. People ask why I don't wash it. History is brutal, history is important to remember.

Don't clean it...
 
I'm just saying if the sample was good enough to be tested and you sent to the result to one of those genealogy/ancestry websites there's a slim chance that might go somewhere.
you are absolutely right!
One of our extended family members has done a lot of genealogy study, because it was believed our paternal forefather migrated to America from England, about the time of the Mayflower.
A male of our family name had to have a DNA test to prove/disprove it.
I took the test and it turned out positive, my great, great,------------great grandfather came from England with the Winthrop fleet, arriving in Massachusetts in 1630.
You can Google Winthrop fleet and my forefather is named on their first arrival.
The DNA test only cost about $160.
The only thing is in the case of the rifle, you would have to have someone to look for a connection to, because there will be thousands of hits.
 
you are absolutely right!
One of our extended family members has done a lot of genealogy study, because it was believed our paternal forefather migrated to America from England, about the time of the Mayflower.
A male of our family name had to have a DNA test to prove/disprove it.
I took the test and it turned out positive, my great, great,------------great grandfather came from England with the Winthrop fleet, arriving in Massachusetts in 1630.
You can Google Winthrop fleet and my forefather is named on their first arrival.
The DNA test only cost about $160.
The only thing is in the case of the rifle, you would have to have someone to look for a connection to, because there will be thousands of hits.

Fascinating, Bruce! Rather less spectacular, but my gf was born in Australia and her great-great grandfather (I might be one gen. out) came to Australia from Austria as a violin (and trumpet) player with the Johann Strauss ("The Waltz King") Orchestra to play at the Melbourne International Exhibition in 1880. The National Library of Victoria sent us a ton of information, including the passenger list from The SS Aconcagua on which he arrived, where he was shown as "Jos. Scheibein, Age 30." For some unknown reason, he decided to stay - although he likely spoke little or no English - and ended up marrying the daughter of a Scottish immigrant from a remote town.

As to the OP's interest in having the DNA analyzed, he'd likely have to have the results sent somewhere in Germany to see if there might be a match amongst the descendents of a soldier. A rather long shot, if you'll pardon the pun. And then what do you tell the relatives? "Lieber Herr (oder Frau) X: A DNA test for blood found on a Mauser rifle I acquired indicates that your grandfather may have been carrying it when he was killed." (Wie sagt man, "Have a nice day" auf Deutsch?)

:) Stuart
 
A rather long shot, if you'll pardon the pun. And then what do you tell the relatives? "Lieber Herr (oder Frau) X: A DNA test for blood found on a Mauser rifle I acquired indicates that your grandfather may have been carrying it when he was killed." (Wie sagt man, "Have a nice day" auf Deutsch?)

:) Stuart

This is exactly what I was thinking lol

My neighbour works with forensics. I will consult him again and see if he can do any further tests or dating analysis. Him and his kit determined it was human. It's worth a try.
 
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