Tavor optics?

[kennyclone]

Lol. I agree. Thats downright hilarious!

On the off chance you are being serious, may I ask how you figure so? The Specter Dr has better glass, better field of view, adjustable magnification, and an over all similar sized package to the ACOG, and is definitely smaller then an ACOG RMR combo is, which is what you would need in order to compare the 2 side by side feature wise.

lets see.
-Costs at least 600 more than an ACOG
-Has terrible Eye relief
-Slower to switch to 1x than a RMR combo on offset.
-BDC that only works on 4x, so you're gunna be on 4x pretty much all the time
-Stupidly Heavy

Hell, if you MUST have variable magnification go buy a Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5x20mm or even a Vortex or if your gunna drop the dosh on a Spectre buy a VCOG or Mark 6.

 

[onetwentyish]

Ahhh ####it! I have a nice warm Garage if the ol lady freaks out hehehehe I think Ill order the Elcan Tomorrow or Monday !

Just be warned, you will likely want (need) a riser/aftermarket-rail also as the Specter Dr was designed to fit an AR-15. As such, the rail on the Tavor sits about 1/2" to low. Gear Head Works aftermarket rails are available from Zahal right now with Manticore coming soon. Midwest Industries just released there version, watch Wolverine for it. Midwest also just recently launched a riser to go between the factory rail and your optic to get the apropriate height.

I recommend going with an offering from GHW. His rails are 1 piece design, and the short one is a few ounces lighter then your factory one. Saving ounces feels good when you have a Elcan riding your rifle.

 

[onetwentyish]

one on EE for 1850

Offer him 1650 shipped and insured. I bought one LNIB only mounted for photos for 1650 2 months ago. Bought 1 with some wear on it for 1556 shipped and insured last spring.

Kanwar has had his on and off the ee for 1950 for the last 2 + months.

 

[onetwentyish]

lets see.
-Costs at least 600 more than an ACOG

I have gotten 2 Specter DRs for 1650 and under. 1 should have been called BNIB, the other a few safe kisses. They can be had for significantly less. How much does your RMR cost? About $500-$750 depending on the model. You also need a mount.

-Has terrible Eye relief

compared to an ACOG, maybe, but it isn't "terrible" in the grand scheme of things.

-Slower to switch to 1x than a RMR combo on offset.

Good point, but it is not as compact and if you reaĺly are that desperate you can mount an RMR on top of a Specter DR as well.

-BDC reticle that only works on 4x, so you're gunna be on 4x pretty much all the time

Why would I need the BDC on 1x?!

-Stupidly Heavy

Yes. It is heavy. About the same as a traditional 1-4x scope with rings, but is much quicker to switch magnification, less bulky and as such keeps the weight o the rear of the rifle instead of out front. That weight you feel is the product of quality and features rolled into one.

Does it fit all aplications and personal styles of shooting? No. Was it meant to? No. Does it do most well and a number great? Yes. Are there still going to be people who feel its not for them? Absolutely. You are one of 'em!

Hell, if you MUST have variable magnification go buy a Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5x20mm or even a Vortex or if your gunna drop the dosh on a Spectre buy a VCOG

As stated, not interested in traditional scopes due to the lack of certain features and lack of compactness.

 

[Norseman]

Ok, Ordered from Wolverine!!! Garage is warmed up just in case Wooot Wooot LOLOL and yes Im aware of the riser, that is going to be ordered tomorrow

 

[kennyclone]

I have gotten 2 Specter DRs for 1650 and under. 1 should have been called BNIB, the other a few safe kisses. They can be had for significantly less. How much does your RMR cost? About $500-$750 depending on the model. You also need a mount.

Same could be said about aquiring an ACOG used. and you don't need an RMR to use the ACOG for close quarters the illuminated reticle works if you keep both eyes open.

compared to an ACOG, maybe, but it isn't "terrible" in the grand scheme of things.

it's actually pretty bad, close to NTCH length of eye relief, this isnt a bad thing on a Tavor I'll admit but it's pretty annoying still.

Good point, but it is not as compact and if you reaĺly are that desperate you can mount an RMR on top of a Specter DR as well.

is compact really that necessary? and I mean, if you wanted a Spectre+RMR combo you'd be tacking on another 500-750 as you said which would again cost more than an ACOG.

Why would I need the BDC on 1x?!

you don't need it, but it's nice to have a consistent reticle. I dunno maybe I'm just spoiled by FFP variable scopes now.

Yes. It is heavy. About the same as a traditional 1-4x scope with rings, but is much quicker to switch magnification, less bulky and as such keeps the weight o the rear of the rifle instead of out front. That weight you feel is the product of quality and features rolled into one.
Does it fit all aplications and personal styles of shooting? No. Was it meant to? No. Does it do most well and a number great? Yes. Are there still going to be people who feel its not for them? Absolutely. You are one of 'em!

I'll admit it didn't work well for me personally or a few of my friends who have used them, but it's not for everyone.

As stated, not interested in traditional scopes due to the lack of certain features and lack of compactness.

What Features are on the Elcan that you couldnt find on a variable mag scope?
other than quick 1-4x?

I mean this is all kinda moot now since he already bought a Spectre.

 

[adancingmonkey]

Does the spectre Dr come with the mount already or does one need to buy a mounting system separate.

 

[kennyclone]

Does the spectre Dr come with the mount already or does one need to buy a mounting system separate.

it has ARMS mounts

 

[onetwentyish]

Same could be said about aquiring an ACOG used. and you don't need an RMR to use the ACOG for close quarters the illuminated reticle works if you keep both eyes open.

also works excellent on a DR, in both 1x and 4x!

it's actually pretty bad, close to NTCH length of eye relief, this isnt a bad thing on a Tavor I'll admit but it's pretty annoying still.

is compact really that necessary? and I mean, if you wanted a Spectre+RMR combo you'd be tacking on another 500-750 as you said which would again cost more than an ACOG.

Most people are not interested in a putting an RMR on because they already have a 1x red dot "style" feature. I see lots of Acogs with RMRs, but only like 2 DRs with RMRs.

you don't need it, but it's nice to have a consistent reticle. I dunno maybe I'm just spoiled by FFP variable scopes now.

I'll admit it didn't work well for me personally or a few of my friends who have used them, but it's not for everyone.

What Features are on the Elcan that you couldnt find on a variable mag scope?
other than quick 1-4x?

quick 1-4x, compactness, durability, and of course I hate the aesthetics of a traditional scope on a black rifle unless it is the likes of an M14 or AR-10 where it makes sense.

I mean this is all kinda moot now since he already bought a Spectre.

agreed! Elcan wins again!

 

[ianfroese]

Someday I'll likely have a DR, they do seem pretty awesome. But for now, I'm plenty happy with my ACOG. Enjoy your new sight, OK!

 

[JNA]

Im getting the Spectre OS4x as i dont really need the one times and prefer a chevron reticle to a cross

 

[alberta tactical rifle]

Another option for the Tavor purist is the MSE site. This is the optic employed by IDF .
We have these in stock

 

[sapper043]

Trijicon 1-4 scope, not your average "rifle scope" super clear and fairly compact. Less than 1/2 the specter and luminated retical without batteries.

 

[Airborn_69]

i run an acog ta33 great optic

I'll second that, for the $$ served me well. If you don't mind spending a little extra I'd say the specter DR. Both are built like tanks!

 

[Sakonut]

I find the comparisons regarding eye relief being better on the acog interesting. While my experience with elcan and trijicon have been limited to the C79 and whatever model number 4x32 ACOG the US army is issued, I found the eye relief to be much more forgiving on the elcan. I found the slightest head movement with the ACOG lost any usable sight picture.

 

[kennyclone]

I find the comparisons regarding eye relief being better on the acog interesting. While my experience with elcan and trijicon have been limited to the C79 and whatever model number 4x32 ACOG the US army is issued, I found the eye relief to be much more forgiving on the elcan. I found the slightest head movement with the ACOG lost any usable sight picture.

4x ACOG has terrible eye relief.
3.5X ACOG has much better eye relief, I can use my stocks fully extended and still get a good sight picture

 

[Sakonut]

Good to know, thanks. Perhaps I wont rule out an ACOG for my own purchase just yet...