Mag question

Your run LAR15 mags? But do you have a AR15 pistol?

Exactly. You have ten round mags for a rifle you don't own and they fit one you do own there can be only one purpose for having them. They didn't limit semi auto center fire rifles to 5 because they are afraid of the magazines. This is very much a loophole. Another example of a poorly written set of laws.

Having a conversation about this is useful. I learned something. It makes no sense at all but that's fine. I won't be running out and buying any. I have plenty of big 5 round mags.
 
I remember walking around the fields of southern Ontario, pockets full of standard capacity mags (loaded, natch) for my G3, plinking, staying out of trouble, lunch in the backpack.

My how times have changed.

Yes and taking a TRW M14 and a Colt AR 15 and shooting them anywhere you like. I'm not a big fan of the 30 rounders but I do like the 20's.
 
Exactly. You have ten round mags for a rifle you don't own and they fit one you do own there can be only one purpose for having them. They didn't limit semi auto center fire rifles to 5 because they are afraid of the magazines. This is very much a loophole. Another example of a poorly written set of laws.

Having a conversation about this is useful. I learned something. It makes no sense at all but that's fine. I won't be running out and buying any. I have plenty of big 5 round mags.

No Im asking you. I already know the laws. Thats why you carry print out with you about these mags. RCMP says its okay, so their for okay..
 
They didn't limit semi auto center fire rifles to 5 because they are afraid of the magazines. This is very much a loophole. Another example of a poorly written set of laws.


They didn't limit semi auto center rifles at all, they limited magazines.

Its no loop hole, have you even read the law? It doesn't say what you think it says. Go ahead and post up the section of any act that says a rifle is limited to 5 rounds. Firearms are not regulated by capacity, magazines are.

Shawn
 
They didn't limit semi auto center rifles at all, they limited magazines.

Its no loop hole, have you even read the law? It doesn't say what you think it says. Go ahead and post up the section of any act that says a rifle is limited to 5 rounds. Firearms are not regulated by capacity, magazines are.

Shawn

Yes and they did it thinking that would effectively limit all the semi auto center fire rifles to five shots. Clearly they never counted on pistol and bolt action rifle magazines fitting center fire semi auto rifles. The purpose was to limit the rifle without specifically naming all of them. If they had limited individual rifles they would have no capacity restrictions on the ones that have been brought in since the classifications had been set just as some have not been declared prohibited which they surely would have been at that time eg. Swiss Arms, CZ858, Famae 542 among others.

No I have not read them that's why I was questioning what people say here without presenting backup and I never claimed to know this specific piece of legislation just cautioned a guy not to take a chance on what sounded like opinion. I have not pinned my MK 4 No 1 magazine knowing full well that it is legal. My question was solely on the application of the higher capacity magazine. Is this clear? A race car is legal on a track and not on the street. There are plenty of guys who push the limits on firearms regs. I'm not one of them but I probably have more to lose than most as well.
 
Yes and they did it thinking that would effectively limit all the semi auto center fire rifles to five shots. Clearly they never counted on pistol and bolt action rifle magazines fitting center fire semi auto rifles. The purpose was to limit the rifle without specifically naming all of them. If they had limited individual rifles they would have no capacity restrictions on the ones that have been brought in since the classifications had been set just as some have not been declared prohibited which they surely would have been at that time eg. Swiss Arms, CZ858, Famae 542 among others.

No I have not read them that's why I was questioning what people say here without presenting backup and I never claimed to know this specific piece of legislation just cautioned a guy not to take a chance on what sounded like opinion. I have not pinned my MK 4 No 1 magazine knowing full well that it is legal. My question was solely on the application of the higher capacity magazine. Is this clear? A race car is legal on a track and not on the street. There are plenty of guys who push the limits on firearms regs. I'm not one of them but I probably have more to lose than most as well.

So you haven't read the law but some how think that means you know what they meant by the law you didn't read.

Real great foundation for a discussion LOL

Not to mention you are willfully ignoring the RCMP bulletin that explicitly states that in the eyes of the RCMP this is 100% legal.

Shawn
 
Yes and they did it thinking that would effectively limit all the semi auto center fire rifles to five shots. Clearly they never counted on pistol and bolt action rifle magazines fitting center fire semi auto rifles.

Actually, they did anticipate this issue, but decided to deal with it on an individual basis. If you read the magazine capacity regs, they specifically limited all Uzi, Partisan Avenger, Mac10, and Mac11 mags to 5 rounds, including ones made for the pistols. The fact that they were too lazy to make a "catch-all" regulation dealing with this "issue" regarding other designs such as the LAR-15 is their problem, not ours, and we are obeying the law TO THE LETTER.
 
So you haven't read the law but some how think that means you know what they meant by the law you didn't read.

Real great foundation for a discussion LOL

Not to mention you are willfully ignoring the RCMP bulletin that explicitly states that in the eyes of the RCMP this is 100% legal.

Shawn

Lighten up Francis

Bad wording on my part as I should have used the word assume in there somewhere. I'm not willfully ignoring anything. That would imply I'm aware of it and not obeying it so unless the bulletin states I must use 10 round mags I'm within the law. These exceptions make no sense but then neither do many of the other rules. Relax you win.
 
Lighten up Francis

Bad wording on my part as I should have used the word assume in there somewhere. I'm not willfully ignoring anything. That would imply I'm aware of it and not obeying it so unless the bulletin states I must use 10 round mags I'm within the law. These exceptions make no sense but then neither do many of the other rules. Relax you win.

LOL and there comes the strawman

This just keeps getting better

Shawn
 
Nowhere did I say you can't do this. I cautioned against it. While you are correct I wasn't familiar with this bit of legislation there are a lot of gun owners who push the limit legally regarding safe storage and transport. There are some more who just plain ignore them.
 
Exactly. You have ten round mags for a rifle you don't own and they fit one you do own there can be only one purpose for having them. They didn't limit semi auto center fire rifles to 5 because they are afraid of the magazines. This is very much a loophole. Another example of a poorly written set of laws.

Having a conversation about this is useful. I learned something. It makes no sense at all but that's fine. I won't be running out and buying any. I have plenty of big 5 round mags.

It's not a loophole though... not at all. It's only a loophole to the gun grabbers who can't read english and think the words say something they don't. Do they make sense? Not really at all, but they are written in a very clear and specific way that can only be interpreted one way.

If it were a loophole, the RCMP wouldn't post a bulletin saying explicitly that it's fully acceptable to do and that they sanction it. They clearly say that they interpret the rules to limit the capacity of a magazine based on whatever gun it was designed for. It doesn't matter if you own the gun (I think they even say that... or it might have been in an email that was posted from on of the head lab techs), it doesn't matter what gun you put it in. If the gun was designed with the express intent to be used in a pistol, or a bolt action rifle, but also fits a semi-auto centerfire rifle, then the magazine limit only applies to the gun it was DESIGNED TO BE USED WITH and the AMMUNITION IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE USED WITH. Hence, technically, one could bring in/make a purpose built .50 Beo mag, designed for a .50 Beo PISTOL, and use it in their rifle and legally be able to use 28-30 rounds. The only hurdle here is getting it approved by the RCMP, which I have my doubts about actually happening.

As they showed with their "approval" of the Elander mags, which were originally going to be available in 10 and 20 round capacities, they would not allow the 20 round ones based on a DIFFERENT interpretation of the laws than they had previously used. The issue probably could have been taken to court and fought, but the cost would have been tremendous and likely would have resulted in a re-writing of the laws.

But again, there's absolutely no way you could be convicted for using a 10 round AIA mag in an M1A or a 10 round LAR pistol mag in an AR, or a 5 round Beo mag in an AR (with 14-15 rounds in it). No way, not at all. Could you be dragged through the courts? Possibly, though I'd suggest that the most that would be likely to happen is you end up in trouble for an afternoon until a lawyer or your buddy brings in a copy of Bulletin 72 for them to read, at which point they'd have no choice but to release you. The only other thing that *may* be wise to do would be to have some Beo ammo on hand to demonstrate that it only holds 5 rounds of that kind of ammo....

edit - and now I finish reading the thread and see this is over... nothing to see here lol
 
I'm glad we have That sorted out! :d
I do have a question, possibly a stupid question, but I really don't want to buy a whack of mags to find they don't fit.
(I have learned not to assume)
Will the E-Lander mags fit an M-305?
 
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