Probably old news SSG69 Discontinued

I'm under the impression that SSG 69 is completely different from SSG 04, SSG 08. The later 2 are in fact the same action as SSB hunter actions on all the "non SSG" Steyrs - front locking, 2 lug and a bushing thing. Are you saying that SSG 04 / SSG 08 are pressed barrels while ProHunter and SX and the new hunter line are not heat pressed barrels?

No - I believe that ONLY the SSG 69 employs this type of construction
 
Just between us girls -- its worth clarifying that this apparently only true of the Steyr SSG which is unique for its longer barrel tenon to facilitate this method of construction (not unlike the very fancy and accurate Anschutz 54 actions which also get pinned) presumably Anschutz and Steyr know something about this construction and the advantages to accuracy that others do not! Other rear locking Steyr rifles have traditional threaded barrels and this is the way that my Model "M" Pro is set up. Which doesnt hurt my feelings at all

What about the new Mannox actioned units? They are front lockers no?
 
What about the new Mannox actioned units? They are front lockers no?

Well the old Mannlicher Schoenauer up to the M72 were front lugged actions. The Steyr-Mannlicher production started with rear locking actions - at the time this was considered a cost cutting measure. And AFAIK the SBS action replaced "most" of the older rear lockers with a front locking lug action (scout etc) -- which has now apparently taken over the entire line. Unless there is some kind of "Classic" action kicking around that employs remaining NOS rear locking actions - but this is just speculation
 
SSG69 II will be produced now and again for Spair parts and to support current users. The Rifle is a platinum. The Green machine rocks. For a 308 bolt gun it does it's job well.
 
If the SSG69 is now retired... I can accept that. I accept it more than Accuracy International "retiring" the AW. That was idiotic. But the SSG69, a round bottom receiver in a composite stock... with a basically non-removable barrel... dovetail scope mounts... etc., etc., is yesterdays technology to say the least. It is an awesome rifle, but nowadays .308 rifles in the military are semi-automatic DMRs. A long barrel bolt action is .338LapMag (.300WinMag in some places), and has a full aluminum chassis, all kinds of pic rails, and a barrel that is user changeable in the field. Time moves on. Treasure the SSGs you have!

They would have had a hard time selling the AX line if they hadn't, same goes for axing the AE for the AT.

I still maintain the SSG69 is a very nice all around gun especially at its price point, sub moa means it's accurate enough. It's lighter than the new uber sniper setups, quite reliable and durable. I would say it would still be a relevant swat/police sniper for a less financially endowed county. I guess the steyr elite does a better job.

So do the new sbs setup use threaded barrel?
 
They would have had a hard time selling the AX line if they hadn't, same goes for axing the AE for the AT.

I still maintain the SSG69 is a very nice all around gun especially at its price point, sub moa means it's accurate enough. It's lighter than the new uber sniper setups, quite reliable and durable. I would say it would still be a relevant swat/police sniper for a less financially endowed county. I guess the steyr elite does a better job.

So do the new sbs setup use threaded barrel?


good question .. the scout uses some sort of "collet" arrangement that I have seen drawings of but couldnt describe - I think the commercial hunting rifles using SBS actions are set up in a more orthodox fashion...
 
This is what I found:

It appears that the barrel is threaded into two bushings, one locks it into place (probably similar in concept to the Savage, but it is inserted into the receiver and so is not seen from the outside) into the other bushing. This assembly then seems to be slid into the receiver and, if I am correct in what I have read, is locked into place with a special nut on the bottom of the receiver (that has a very specific torque specification)

I can see the manual for SSG08 on page 25 shows that bottom of the reciver with a hex screw and a special note:

hex screw at the front bottom side of the receiver must never be loosened.

BA_STEYR_SSG_08_eng_de.pdf

So I guess this is how it is. 2 bushing assembly, barrel is screwed into one of them the whole thing goes into the receiver and fixed with a bottom screw.
 
I see the mod just moved this thread:rey2 from "Black and Green Rifles" to here "Precision Rifles" .... I would have thought that if any rifle qualified as "Black and Green" it would have to be the SSG69 which may have been one of the very first "Green Rifles" and soon became "Black" as well ... I had thought that was an appropriate place.... :redface:
 
They have also announced that one of their distributors (CDNN Sports - Abilene TX) has decided to buy 1000 units before the production line stops.
Steyr is one of the few companies you see doing something like this (taking large orders) after a rifle was discontinued. Speaks volumes about their character and obligation to their customers.

There have been a few times I tried to order firearms when a manufacturer announced they were discontinuing a model and in actual fact production had already ended a while before it went public and there was no chance given to order.

I saw that the ssg was discontinued a while ago and highlighted as such in the latest Steyr price guide
 
Gentlemen, I happened to hold a new PII from the box and the bolt operation made me wonder:

First of all, it was very tight, it felt like it was grinding against receiver a bit.

Second, when you push the bolt all way forward it does not stay forward, there is some spring pressure (I could not even figure out where did it come from, it was on empty chamber, the main spring is cocked at that point) but the bolt comes back a .25 of an inch. As a result I could not close it just by pressing down, I had to keep pushing forward and rotate down. If the bolt is forward but not closed you can't just slam it down no matter how hard you do, I had to figure out that forward push. Felt kinda unnatural. I handled PI longtime ago, granted it was not new, but I don't remember this feeling back then.

Third, when you open it, there is a very strange double step - first if rotates up and clicks very strongly, but it is not fully open, you can't move the bolt back at that point, so you have to pull up AND A BIT back then it clicks another 5 degrees up and like a tenth of an inch back only then it is able to slide back.

Is that how it should be? Maybe it was because it was very new and tight, but these steps are very clear, I could see how it follows a cutout of the receiver so I assumed it should be this way. Just wondering.
 
Gentlemen, I happened to hold a new PII from the box and the bolt operation made me wonder:

First of all, it was very tight, it felt like it was grinding against receiver a bit.

Second, when you push the bolt all way forward it does not stay forward, there is some spring pressure (I could not even figure out where did it come from, it was on empty chamber, the main spring is cocked at that point) but the bolt comes back a .25 of an inch. As a result I could not close it just by pressing down, I had to keep pushing forward and rotate down. If the bolt is forward but not closed you can't just slam it down no matter how hard you do, I had to figure out that forward push. Felt kinda unnatural. I handled PI longtime ago, granted it was not new, but I don't remember this feeling back then.

Third, when you open it, there is a very strange double step - first if rotates up and clicks very strongly, but it is not fully open, you can't move the bolt back at that point, so you have to pull up AND A BIT back then it clicks another 5 degrees up and like a tenth of an inch back only then it is able to slide back.

Is that how it should be? Maybe it was because it was very new and tight, but these steps are very clear, I could see how it follows a cutout of the receiver so I assumed it should be this way. Just wondering.


All normal. You're over analyzing, it is what it is.... ;)

Despite what others have said, the SSG69 is not an overly smooth action to operate.
 
All normal. You're over analyzing, it is what it is.... ;)

Despite what others have said, the SSG69 is not an overly smooth action to operate.

Would you know where the backward pressure on a bolt comes from? When the bolt is all the way forward but not closed. I'm just curious now, it should be somewhere at the back, where the locking lugs are, but I could not figure out why or what pushed it back. When you push it forward you are obviously compressing some spring, but the firing spring is cocked already on bolt lift up and should be under tension until the sear drops. No?
 
Would you know where the backward pressure on a bolt comes from? When the bolt is all the way forward but not closed. I'm just curious now, it should be somewhere at the back, where the locking lugs are, but I could not figure out why or what pushed it back. When you push it forward you are obviously compressing some spring, but the firing spring is cocked already on bolt lift up and should be under tension until the sear drops. No?

Many #### on open bolts do not fully compress the firing spring with the opening of the bolt handle. Sometimes the last 20% (guessing at that value) is completed upon close. There is a small spring loaded plunger at the front of the bolt handle that must be compressed to initiate closing the bolt ( some of the back tension you are feeling). The remaining tension would be when the firing pin is engaged by the trigger sear as the bolt lugs cam into close/final position.
 
Outdated technology as it is:

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