Thank goodness, BC is culling wolves
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back to you.
you are professing your ethic not mine nor others why yours will be better?
predator control is working if it is made at a certain level and continuously this is what the studies said, seems you are trying to find something else.
up to the time a wolf or a pack will take care of your pet you dont mind but another story and you will be for ...
i ve seen wolves taking caribous and they are fast but when the shortage of food come they will move and maybe met a cattle ranch what will happen for those poor guys raising it, will you help them?
i am myself for a continuous predators control ( wolf, coyote, couguar, bears) and wider and more generous open seasons it will take time but it will come.
Phil
^It is OBVIOUS that "Not far enough north of Premier Orville Reddenbacher" is nowhere near BC.
The path of lease resistance. Simple concept.
Wolves travel the rivers in the winter. Then the train tracks. Then, when the pine-beetle opened up the province they travelled the roads. Only the roads were then de-activated for hunters (not wolf-proof ditches, only for trucks-proof because in most areas you can't hunt off of an atv due to guides) which makes it very hard, to efficiently/effectively hunt wolves.
So yes, this problem in BC is man-made. And anyone that has spent any time in BC can see that.
As far as game management goes in BC, there is none. There is no Science. Wildlife hasn't been managed by science for years, only for $, emotion, and business. I'd say the only reason the wolf cull got the green light is because is starting to effect BC game that is sold off and not at all for BC resident hunters.
There's a lot of dirty pool going on in BC in regards to game/wildlife, and the wolf cull is just another red flag. Watch the news, March 2nd will be a good one.
The path of lease resistance. Simple concept.
Wolves travel the rivers in the winter. Then the train tracks. Then, when the pine-beetle opened up the province they travelled the roads. Only the roads were then de-activated for hunters (not wolf-proof ditches, only for trucks-proof because in most areas you can't hunt off of an atv due to guides) which makes it very hard, to efficiently/effectively hunt wolves.
So yes, this problem in BC is man-made. And anyone that has spent any time in BC can see that.
As far as game management goes in BC, there is none. There is no Science. Wildlife hasn't been managed by science for years, only for $, emotion, and business. I'd say the only reason the wolf cull got the green light is because is starting to effect BC game that is sold off and not at all for BC resident hunters.
There's a lot of dirty pool going on in BC in regards to game/wildlife, and the wolf cull is just another red flag. Watch the news, March 2nd will be a good one.
You forgot oil and gas exploration and seismic lines Drillbit. In the Peace that is a huge impact.
Hoyt if you had wolves on order of the population explosion that is going on here currently you would understand. But as it is now, only someone who spends a lot of time in a lot of different areas in these regions and is observant really has any concept of the true magnitude of the problem. Hell, a local hunter who owns an oilfield company has teamed up with the local sporting goods store to sponsor a wolf hunting contest several years in a row to encourage locals to kill wolves. Which for the last several years has resulted in the lgs receiving a ton of hate emails and national publicity.... The local cattlemans association pays over $600 to snip the tip off of an ear of any wolf brought in that was killed on a range tenure.
Got anything like that in Ontario?
Didn't think so.
Ok well this post proves you know nothing about BC hunting. Please explain how you wolf proof ditches? And road deactivations have nothing to do with the guides it has to do with liability for the foresty companies. Is there a lack of science? Yes but that has partly to do with the bleeding hearts that still don't want to listen to the science either way. How about coyote hunting in Saskatchewan? What effect would that have for you and your hunting. The wolf cull is a management tool that was used for years until the bleeding hearts started making a fuss but back in the day it was poison and not helicopters that were being used.
Your arrogance is such that you are unable to "listen..."
I have lain in a tent on an island in a remote lake and listened to packs of wolves hunting on the south, north and west shores.... I have been swarmed by a pack of a dozen wolves (fighting over the leg bone of a yearling bull, they didn't know I was there) in pre-dawn darkness paddling in to a bay to bowhunt moose. I have switched hunting regions for moose to specifically avoid patterns in the wolf population. I have had exclusive rights to manage wolves on extensive tracts of preserve land, land that was overrun and deer herds that were being decimated... AND collected bounty on wolves in townships that STILL, to this day, have bounties for wolves. In addition I have trapped and hunted coyotes and wolves in peak pressured areas during up cycles... and all of this over the past 30 years... and I have studies and worked in the fish and wildlife and biology field... I know a little bit about the problems and the challenges that are presented by this particular game management question...
I am also aware of the emotional sensationalism that occurs on both sides of this particular coin... save your rhetoric and pompous indignation... I stated clearly above that I am in favour of management... I also know that history teaches us that we get "management" wrong more often than right. Good luck in BC.
bearkilr
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Your problem isn't unique by any stretch other than the fact your wolves have a harder time getting around. Here in MB for instance, wolves don't need seismic lines or roads, everything is already flat as a table. Many cattleman's associations have been paying bounties for quite a few years and poisoning via strychnine and cyanide used to be commonplace by DNR appointed predator control until about a decade ago when it was outlawed. We also have one of the most liberal wolf seasons in the country. Our terrain also makes it very easy for two legged predators to get around, especially in winter, another problem you don't face to the same extent in BC or Alberta.
Veiled slur? Laughin', well I suppose I can understand why you would take it as such, living in a province that is supported off of the backs of tax payers from the west.......(ok, THAT one was probably not-so-thinly veiled)
The original comment was more meant as an indication that you have an opinion on what the situation here is, and how it has come to be, and what, in your mind, the outcome is likely to be... And yet you live provinces removed from the situation itself. Its a scenario that we even face here, between urbanites who recreate in the forest and those who make a living in the bush and recreate there.
Better do some research..... Fairly certain that it is tabletop flat for a significant chunk of BC. Take a peek via google earth of the area around the Peace. Zoom in, and take an actual close look at the seismic lines, and the petroleum development. I'll do the same for Manitoba, out of curiosity...... (Edit addition: sorry Bear, that landscape isn't even remotely comparable from a road/access development standpoint. Be thankful your province is still as undeveloped as it is. And yes BC certainly has mountains, but the province isn't stacked with one after another......)
If you aren't shocked by what you see I will be incredibly surprised.
As to liberal wolf seasons, ours open on July 1st, and closes June 30th.......
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bearkilr
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Ours opens Sep.1 and close Aug. 30. $10 license, unlimited quota. We have no Rocky Mountains, I don't need Google Earth to verify, elementary school taught me that years ago.
It's not unusual to come across posts from guys like you in BC and AB that think everything is better the further west you go, but bragging about a wolf problem is a new one. LOL!
If the province put a new and meaningful bounty on wolves, hunters would take part in more numbers. Here where I live, on the western edge of Wells Grey Park area, there is no bag limit, no closed season, yet incredibly few hunters are adding wolves to the hunt.
Maybe it's cheaper to hire helicopters and pilots and sharpshooters.
I know that when I head home for my days off work, I'll be spending at least 2 days behind the rifle trying to do my part
Maybe it's cheaper to hire helicopters and pilots and sharpshooters.
I know that when I head home for my days off work, I'll be spending at least 2 days behind the rifle trying to do my part
Except, my uncomprehending friend, I made no comment about BC's specific situation nor do I have an opinion on it... I spoke to the concept of predator management in general... but you seem to think that your circumstance are some how unique to the problem of predator/game management... I can assure you they are not... topography is not a particularly limiting factor in wolf predation... they will move to the next drainage when they need to move to the next drainage... and here as in BC, they follow the game... do you think that your wolves require a higher caloric intake to survive?
There are far more similarities than differences regardless of which province or region you are comparing.
Phat Eagle
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I love how pretty much every thread deteriorates into chest bumping... Wish I was working on a thesis as it would be interesting research.
I will listen to anyone, regardless of where they are from if their opinion is sound. but those who are basing their opinions on their location, and not taking into account of the different landscape... well, I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if it is wrong.
You can't wolf-proof a ditch is what I was saying. Roads that are deactivated are limiting access for hunting predators too, and improving predators ease of getting around. In areas that are Limited Entry for game animals, what's the point of, and who benefits from limiting access and atv use? The guides, that's who. Except now that the wolves are eating their sales items, something might be done to help out the game animals as the BC gov is in their back pocket.
And Sask coyotes...with the amount of coyotes and the past 2 winters being very harsh, whitetail populations are very low. I'd say 10-20 percent of what there was 3 years ago in my area. And coyote numbers are very high. Every bush pushed this year resulted in coyotes coming out, usually several. They should be open for everybody to shoot too, not just residents. The whitetail populations should come back, but it wouldn't hurt to have less coyotes around to help it.
For someone with "no opinion on it", you have better than 10% of the posts in this thread. Albeit, most of those are typical of what you generally type....
However, regardless, what would you have us do in our situation here, specifically, where there is a 5 year aerial wolf cull currently underway. Please offer your opinion, as I am genuinely curious as to how you think the current situation should be managed.
