If AR's became NR, would XCR owners trade their XCR's for an AR of equal value...

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***So let me pose a question to all you XCR faithfuls and please give it some thought before making your honest choice.

***So if AR rifles became NR and AR rifles could be used for hunting, camping and plinking etc. how many of you would choose the AR platform over a XCR-L rifle =$2,350.00 and XCR-M rifle =$2,850.00.


Please know this is not a put down of the XCR, although many of you know what I think of that rifle. It's seriously to try and acquire an understanding of how good you really think your XCR is in comparison to a Top Tier AR of similar value (please be honest;)).

This thread is here to also recognize how the Restricted status of an excellent rifle platform is causing these AR rifles to not reach our Canadian firearms owners hands due to these archaic regulations/laws and if these AR's were to become licensed as an Non-restricted they could then be utilized to their fullest in Canada. The loss of this all purpose sporting rifle affects thousands of law abiding and responsible firearm owners daily.

Also this situation is responsible for the loss of millions of dollars annually to the firearms business community of Canada in lost revenues from the AR rifle platform and it's many associated accessories no longer being sold due to the fact these AR sporting rifles are not licensed as a Non-restricted rifle in Canada...



***So if our non-sense Canadian Firearm Regulations/laws were set correctly and all AR's became Non-restricted and were available to be used/carried for hunting, camping and plinking in a safe manner in the back country; would you then prefer to use an AR rifle of a comparable value to a XCR-L (say $2,350) or not.


The value of a new XCR-L will be set at $2,350.00/XCR-M=$2,850.00 and this would equate to:

KAC SR15 perhaps or maybe one of,

Colt Canada's SA15.7=C8?

SA20=C7 with an accessory or two (maybe even a complete CC IUR 16" rifle)?

Daniel Defense M4V7 with Vortex 4-16x44 1MOA Scope for hunting in 6.8spc?

DDMK18 with basic optic/sights for a back-packing and camping firearm?

The choice does not have to be one of these rifles (they are just examples) as you could spend the $2,350.00 on any QUALITY AR rifle you want, even the an AR in the.308 calibre is allowed (that's the direction I'd be going), feel free to spend up to $2,850.00 on an AR-10 (as that's comparable to a XCR-M).

Armalite AR-10 SS Target rifle?

DPMS Recon SS AR-10 Carbine?

Armalite SASS AR-10?

KAC SASS AR-10?



***So what say thee CGN, XCR owners (& others)... Remember even if you do not own an XCR currently or never have please vote, but mention not an owner or owner when you do make your honest choice, thanks all...


Cheers D




P.S. Sorry not very computer savvy otherwise I would post up a little Voter Poll Box. So if this actually gets any interest I'll attempt to Tally up the votes myself.


So PLEASE VOTE either OWNER Yes or No

or NOT OWNER Yes or NO...


Also interested in build spec.'s of your choice if you got'em.
 
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If the AR went non restricted the value of all the currently non restricted rifles would drop significantly. The XCR in this scenario would probably only get you enough money to buy an entry level AR.
After all, who would ever spend $2000+ on an XCR when a $1000 AR is more accurate and has way more parts available for customization? That goes for all the non restricted rifles available now not just the XCR.
I think our market would be much more like the market in the US where these other options are significantly cheaper than they are here now.

I own a NR ACR and have owned 2 HK SL8-4's, a Swiss Arms Classic Green target model, an AR180B-2, Ruger mini-14, NR Kriss Vector, an RFB, a Sub2000, and probably a couple others that I can't remember right now. I've also spent time with XCR-L's and M's as well as a few Tavor's and a T97. I also currently own 4 AR's (9mm, 223, 300BLK and an AR-10 in 308) and have probably owned around 10 of them over the last few years.
I'm torn between the ACR and the AR as to which is my favorite but at current prices if both were non restricted I would only own AR's.
 
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All those rifles exist mainly because they are NR, if AR'S become NR, these rifle prices would drop immensly... For the majority, NR AR's would be great... No so for others... JP.
 
All those rifles exist mainly because they are NR, if AR'S become NR, these rifle prices would drop immensly... For the majority, NR AR's would be great... No so for others... JP.

Agree'd, It's nice to have something different than everyone else but not for 2-3 times the price. I would be happy with just owning my 4 AR's that I currently have.
 
Agree'd, It's nice to have something different than everyone else but not for 2-3 times the price. I would be happy with just owning my 4 AR's that I currently have.
If AR,s would be NR, all my FNAR/SA M1A NM/BAR/XCR-M/ would see no more work, so their future could be safequeen, their value would go down, it would be hard not buying many more AR's... Lol... JP.
 
AR's would without a doubt totally dominate the black rifle market here in Canada if they were NR. Only other black rifle I would see standing a chance up here would be the Tavor.
 
AR's would without a doubt totally dominate the black rifle market here in Canada if they were NR. Only other black rifle I would see standing a chance up here would be the Tavor.

I think the Tavor would become obsolete to... Just saying. JP.
 
I'm not an XCR owner but I've been thinking about it forever. If AR's were non restricted depending on barrel length I wouldn't even consider buying an XCR.
 
No XCRs in the safe, but might get one because of the NR status. I don't really like the bolt on barrel, so I would stick to ARs if I could.
 
AR's would without a doubt totally dominate the black rifle market here in Canada if they were NR. Only other black rifle I would see standing a chance up here would be the Tavor.

The price of the Tavor would have to come down for them to survive. I don't see them doing anything better than an AR other than overall length and that can be gotten around by using a 12 inch upper on your AR. The Tavor would have higher muzzle velocity compared to a 12 inch AR but the AR would still be more accurate which to me is more appealing since I can just dial up a couple more clicks on the turret to compensate for drop.


No XCRs in the safe, but might get one because of the NR status. I don't really like the bolt on barrel, so I would stick to ARs if I could.

There are better options if you are willing to spend a little more money.
 
All you have to do is look at the reason why , most people is buying these NR black rifles . Then you get your answer. ( 10 rnd mags , accessories ,and as close to AR as we can get.):)
 
I think it's unlikely to happen, but if it did, it would cause such a shake up it's hard to say what would be worth what. I'd welcome a change in the law, but since many named prohibited rifles would meet current NR status if they removed the OIC (or whatever they would do) there would be many new options. Regardless of how it played out it would take time for things to reach some kind of equilibrium. Most AR's being sold today, are 16" or under so the bulk of them will remain restricted.

It would be a mess for the short term...a mess I'd love to navigate!

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I think it's unlikely to happen, buy if it did it would cause such a shake up it's hard to say what would be worth what. I'd welcome a change in the law, but since many named prohibited rifles would meet current NR status if they removed the OIC (or whatever they would do) there would be many new options. Regardless of how it played out it would take time for things to reach some kind of equilibrium. Most AR's are 16" or under being sold today, so the bulk of them will remain restricted.

It would be a mess for the short term...a mess I'd love to navigate!

cr5, re the tunes, not bad, not bad at all.

24 inch would get you a free pass... Lol. JP.
 
24 inch would get you a free pass... Lol. JP.

Yes it would :d, you'd see much of the sales in under 18.5 come to a screeching halt. I bet our local manufactures would have a field day! There's no way US made stuff would be able to keep up with the demand.

Not to rain on the parade...then there's the issue of how they would deal with all the short uppers. The AR range gun would still be a very common thing.
 
Nope would keep my XCR-M its a great squad support rifle

But I would purchase a Piston Driven AR15 with a 20" barrel and Milspec Sights aka as little addons as possible I prefer Irons
 
Let's face it, Xcrs and Tavors etc. have always came with a NR tax. $1000+ rifles that cost $2000+ just because of classification. Some will pay it others won't. if the AR becomes NR who in their right mind would still pay that "tax".
 
I think it's unlikely to happen, buy if it did it would cause such a shake up it's hard to say what would be worth what. I'd welcome a change in the law, but since many named prohibited rifles would meet current NR status if they removed the OIC (or whatever they would do) there would be many new options. Regardless of how it played out it would take time for things to reach some kind of equilibrium. Most AR's are 16" or under being sold today, so the bulk of them will remain restricted.

It would be a mess for the short term...a mess I'd love to navigate!

cr5, re the tunes, not bad, not bad at all.

I'd like to see them also get rid of the stupid 18.5 inch if they ever do make the AR non restricted. Laws don't stop criminals so it only punishes the law abiding and we aren't the ones they need to be worried about. In my opinion, if I'm legally allowed to own firearms I should be allowed to own and shoot any firearm anywhere it is legal and safe to do so. There should be no firearms classifications other than full auto and not full auto and maybe something about rocket propelled projectiles.

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All you have to do is look at the reason why , most people is buying these NR black rifles . Then you get your answer. ( 10 rnd mags , accessories ,and as close to AR as we can get.):)


Yet you look on the US forums where magazine limits and restricted status aren't a factor and lots of AR fan's drool over the ACR, Swiss Arms, H&K, Tavor, T97, RFB, XCR etc etc etc...


Former XCR owner, I'm against restricting or prohibiting ANY firearm PERIOD.

I'd hunt gophers with an RPG if I could...
 
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