redshooter
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If AR's became NR, would XCR owners trade their XCR's for an AR of equal value...
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Hard choice depending on what you compare to each other. Piston to piston or DI to piston. Left side handle v rear pull charge handle. Folding stock v non folding stock. Bolt release positions between the two. Barrel mount mechanics.
I've owned both, like them both but don't like all the AR plastic, spring twang, ridiculous charging handle position OR put a different way I like the lack of them more, so given those, I like the latest edition XCR even at equal pricing.
I like the thought of the XCR barrel mount less than the AR set up.
I like the XCR bolt release better than the AR
The FAST XCR isn't a big deal although nice for hard cases and gives one a sliding AND folding stock vs the AR sliding/fixed stock.
Dropping the AR on a sling is less problematic than the XCR with the side mount charging handle.
The AR DI accuracy was about the same as the XCR, maybe slightly better, but could be different optics used between the two(EoTech, no bipod v reflex sight/1.75-5 scope and bipod, the ammo used or the difference in barrel lengths.
More aftermarket support at the moment and oodles of AR parts availability.
AR is battle proven and updated accordingly.
All from an American inside Canada perspective. Given the sort of forbidden fruit condition the RCMP created with the AR, I suspect that alone would lean toward the AR side. Being American and always having one either personally or professionally, I lean toward the XCR but it is new to me and only has about 200 rds thru it. So I could go sour on the XCR-L given any big issues.
I've owned both, like them both but don't like all the AR plastic, spring twang, ridiculous charging handle position OR put a different way I like the lack of them more, so given those, I like the latest edition XCR even at equal pricing.
I like the thought of the XCR barrel mount less than the AR set up.
I like the XCR bolt release better than the AR
The FAST XCR isn't a big deal although nice for hard cases and gives one a sliding AND folding stock vs the AR sliding/fixed stock.
Dropping the AR on a sling is less problematic than the XCR with the side mount charging handle.
The AR DI accuracy was about the same as the XCR, maybe slightly better, but could be different optics used between the two(EoTech, no bipod v reflex sight/1.75-5 scope and bipod, the ammo used or the difference in barrel lengths.
More aftermarket support at the moment and oodles of AR parts availability.
AR is battle proven and updated accordingly.
All from an American inside Canada perspective. Given the sort of forbidden fruit condition the RCMP created with the AR, I suspect that alone would lean toward the AR side. Being American and always having one either personally or professionally, I lean toward the XCR but it is new to me and only has about 200 rds thru it. So I could go sour on the XCR-L given any big issues.
Yes, but I would bet almost every one of those people in the US that look at the other options probably already own a couple AR's and simply have some disposable income and just want to try something a little different. These other options wouldn't be their only rifle or their "go to rifle". Also compare the prices of these other rifles south of the border and you'll see why some American's will give them a try. They aren't paying $2500 for an XCR or $2700 for a Tavor.
I like many of the other options we have available but I don't think they would sell at their current prices if the AR was non restricted for it's current retail price.
redshooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Central Ontario
Own an xcr l, if ar ' s became nr with out a doubt ar all the way like my xcr but prefer ar. Only reason I bought xcr was it's nr status and similarity to ar.
Although I would love to get my hands on a brand new xcr l with key modded hand guard and light profile barrel, xcr has grown on me quite a bit.
Although I would love to get my hands on a brand new xcr l with key modded hand guard and light profile barrel, xcr has grown on me quite a bit.
Ar180shooter
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No, they're paying about $1500 for a domestically produced XCR with 16" bbl and $2000 for a domestically produced Tavor. It's easy to forget that they're working with domestically produced items, and we need these items imported, often to non factory standard specifications. Everything in the U.S. is cheaper, with few exceptions.
As for if they would sell, I doubt we'd see a significant reduction in price. The markup on all things firearms is already miniscule. What we would see is the same thing wee see in the U.S., these more expensive AR alternatives are much more of a niche market item. If anything, prices would go up on the Tavor, XCR, etc. as there would be far less volume of sales, distributors would be buying less of them and more risk in carrying the item.
For what I would have, I'd likely have a few more AR's and a few less Swiss Arms, although I'd still likely have at least one of the SAN rifles kicking around.
The XCR is a $1000 rifle in terms of build quality. It's greatest asset is its NR status. The Tavor is more than holding its own in the US market despite an overabundance of ARs. If/when the Swiss Arms status is straightened out, I have no doubt they will continue to sell at par with pre-ban sales figures. The ACR will continue to sell as well, but like the Swiss Arms, it will remain a niche firearm, appealing to guys building a black rifle collection or looking for something a little different. Restoring the AR to NR status will see the AR come to completely dominate semi-auto sales in Canada. The so-called NR tax will necessarily have to be rolled back aggressively, if not completely eliminated for most other AR competitors to survive in Canada.
84wh1
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Tavors would still sell very well and generally hold value if AR went NR. The TAVOR is a totally different platform than the AR, plus it's VERY a well made, has a large (and growing) aftermarket and is battle proven! Guns that are similar to the AR in ergonomics like the XCR and that kel-tec SU-16 toy would definitely loose market.
I don't know about that......flip the scenario. What would Tavor sales be like if they were restricted? Those who really like the platform would still buy them but I'm guessing a great number are purchased based on the NR status. That being said prices would have to drop if the AR became NR, everyone with a PAL would own 3 AR's providing AR prices didn't skyrocket.
You're one of those guys "... who needs an 'assault rifle' to shoot pterodactyls ..." Brian Mulcair ;>)
A .50 Barrett would be cheaper to shoot than an RPG.
I'm some what cheap we already have a tactical mini 14 and a DA 556.I've been looking at the key mod xcr in 223 but have a hard time justifing shelling out just shy of 3k all in for a toy. My latest hunting rifle a browning carbon fluted X bolt in 270 win with vortex HS 4-16/40 was only about $2200 all in and I hunt a lot so it gets used a lot.
If ARs became NR it would be a day of celebration across the land! I would take a day off!
I dont care if my tavor would lose 50% of its value, its not like its bought on credit, what do I care? I would rejoice with the rest of you and buy a couple of AR more for my collection!
I dont care if my tavor would lose 50% of its value, its not like its bought on credit, what do I care? I would rejoice with the rest of you and buy a couple of AR more for my collection!
Why does everyone assume that if they use a little common sense and remove the AR from the restricted by name list that they would still keep the barrel length restriction as it stands now?
A longer barrel doesn't make a rifle any safer and since they are selling them to licensed people who have gone through a security check and jumped through all the hoops it makes no sense to say that we can't use shorter barrel firearms away from a range. If they make the AR non restricted they should also permit licensed firearms owners to use pistols away from the range.
The current laws don't make anything or anyone safer, criminals don't care if they are breaking the law and are going to get their hands on the tools they need to commit their crime of choice regardless of any rules or laws that are in place. If we were truly innocent until proven guilty licensed owners would be trusted to use any firearm in a safe manner anywhere and then have that privilege revoked if we act irresponsibly.
