School me on CZ-75 triggers

eatredmeat157 said:
As stated: camming is when the hammer rises a little bit more before dropping when the trigger is pulled. The hammer on the shadowline does not do this at all. When pulled, it just drops.

And the slim aluminum grip that come on the shadowline (and are available at many vendors) do not have the palm swell that classic CZ-75s are known for. They are a lot slimmer and feel more like a flat panel slab side (1911).

Also, both pistols come with the 85's over travel adjustalble nickel plated trigger.

Source: I also own both a shadowline and a cz-85 combat.
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I see what you mean by camming now that I'm looking for it.

I have a set of those ultra thin cheese grater grips, and yes they do a superb job of thinning the grip down.
When I upgraded my 75 to a 85 I fell in love with the contoured rubber grips it came with and never installed the ultra thins. By that time I had come to the realization that my quest for ultra thin grips was misguided. I had ultra thins on everything (including my 1911) then one day I discovered that I shot my M&P better using the medium back strap rather than the small. I'm pretty much back to using factory grips on everything now.

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I have both an 85 Combat (Satin Nickel with upgraded springs and extended firing pin only) and a 75 SP01 Shadowline. The only difference: Hammer, thin Al Grip and the trigger action (on top of he FLDC with rail). Very minimal to almost no noticeable camming which eventually clears up after few hundred rounds. For the price when I got it last year, I paid an extra $ 30 and lost a magazine compared to a regular SP01 Shadow. No big deal considering the upgrades most SP01 owners do to make it better are now in place. Now, the difference is around $ 300 and maybe more with our Loonie tanked. Get one if you can find one.
 
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AB.boy said:
I picked up a new 75 Shadowline a week ago for $819 and it came with three mags.
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I think you were in the right place at the right time ;)

In retrospect I wish I had just jumped a year or so ago before the prices shot up a few hundred..
 
Someone up higher mentioned the Tactical Sport. I've shot one that was prepped for IPSC Standard class and it was a VERY nice gun. So that may be one option to consider.

You mention that this will be for bullseye shooting only. Most use for CZ's is towards action shooting where they are more than accurate enough by any measure. But there's likely some tweaks that would make the guns more consistent and thus accurate for bullseye shooting if you're good enough a shooter to see the difference.

A start for you is to find or load up some cast lead rounds. The lot of 500 that I made and shot from my Shadow grouped noticeably tighter for me than the run of the mill jacketed stuff. Group sizes for the cast ammo shot seriously was around 1.5" at 12 to 13 yards yards. Jacketed for me typically was more like 2 inches at this same distance. I've since learned that cast lead is sensitive to the bore size. If I was pursuing tight groups using cast bullets now I'd start by slugging the bore to determine the optimum bullet size for cast and work from there.

I'd likely also look at some of the techniques used for accurizing 1911's and applying them to the CZ. Things like optimizing the slide bushing fit being one and lapping the barrel and slide lugs for a more consistent and stable fit being another. This is all rather delicate and precise work and not something you do with a Dremel or gobs of valve lapping compound. So if you want to go to the next level be prepared for the cost of a good gunsmith that has done such work.
 
I'm not good enough to shoot bullseye, but that is the style of hold that I prefer and I practice to improve myself. It's a casual hobby for me. I compete against myself, and I just like to find new guns to enjoy now n then. Traditionally double stacks have not worked for me. I've had beretta and Glock and the love just isn't there. Can't stand double wide 2011 type guns either - those are all two-fisted pistols, really. I've big hands, but I like to get them around the grip, which is why a bog standard 1911A1 type suits me just fine.

Just got the itch to explore beyond the fence again is mostly it.

Lately I've switched over to campro bullets, for the minimal cost over commercial cast. I don't cast much for pistol bullets - it's far too much work. I'll cast for rifle or oddball stuff.
 
I just acquired 9mm CZ 75 TS [Tactical Sport]. This gun is nothing, but amazing out of the box!
S/A only trigger that breaks crisp @ 1 lbs. 10 oz. I only had time to fire a few mags, but it was shooting a ragged hole @ 25 yds from a bench rest.
I haven't had time to work up any loads, just shot some Wolf cast bullets stuff I reloaded for my Norc 1911.

Some find the TS too big, but not me, just right with stock checkered grips. I've always been a 1911 guy, but this has me thinking. I've never had a 1911 trigger this good from a factory and I find muzzle flip is less than the 1911.

I have a Shadow too, but I'll probably sell that now and the trigger has been done nicely on it.
The TS fits me better. Some people find the Shadow is a better fit for their hands. I just don't care for D/A trigger in a semi-auto handgun. It's OK, but I'm into Bullseye and some IPSC type shooting.

You should check a TS out [if you can find one] for about the same money a Shadowline will cost you.
 
I've never seen a TS listed anywhere, but I'll keep my eye out.

Who is the CZ Importer for Canada anyway?
 
I also didn't realize that there was a 75 Shadow in addition to the 75 Shadowline.

I've just seen SP-01 Shadows. The 75 Shadow isn't much more than the 85 Combat, so there's another choice..
 
I just noticed... It's also getting to be on the expensive side from what I've seen. Just bumped into a local fella at cabelas who is going to let me take his SP-01 Shadow for a spin later this week.

I held an 85 combat while there and found out that the ambi slide release is worthless to me - I can't thumb it. So that's no longer a selling feature.

It did feel good in the hand, though.

They've got a used one in the gun room, but for $700 with only 2 mags I'd sooner buy a new one.
 
The slide release is best operated by the thumb of your support hand, rather than your shooting hand. This is fastest and does not require that you shift your grip.

I actually prefer that the slide release is not too close to my shooting hand thumb, as I am less likely to unintentionally prevent the slide locking back on the last round by contacting it.
 
Ah - one of those 2-handed features. Makes sense. On a 1911 I hit the release with my trigger finger, or rack the slide if it's a tighter one
 
New Question!

I shot a kind gentleman's SP-01 Shadow and quite liked it

BUT!

I have long fingers and the reach to the trigger in SA is a bit short. Can you get a longer trigger? Or, are there longer reach SA only triggers?

I'm going to write Dlask, but I thought I'd ask you fine folks first ;)
 
Mark-II, I think the TS or 97b is calling you. It has the bigger frame and for me is perfect with my long fingers.

I own a Shadow also and there's really nothing to increase trigger length when everyone wants to shorten it. Maybe a custom trigger that is thicker or reshaped to be more forward would help. I think some of the older CZ 75 triggers might work for you.
 
Ask yourself if it's something you can deal with. It's different but if you can figure it out, then really it's a shorter/faster/better stroke.

If not, a bigger frame is indeed needed.
 
Mark-II said:
The replacement hammer improves the trigger then?
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Yes, the factory hammers in the non-shadow guns have ridiculously tall (~0.045") hammer hooks that are not square to the sear, and cam the hammer back as described by others.

If you are going all SA target shooting, you can cut the factory hooks down, but you will also have to either recut the half #### hooks or remove them. If you are comfortable cutting 1911 hooks down using a 0.020" shim then you can do a CZ.

As far as your question regarding trigger reach, install this trigger http://czcustom.com/cz75satriggerfactoryalloy.aspx

You will need to leave the disconnector out and you pistol will be SA only which is what your after anyways.
 
Thanks all.

I could probably adapt to the short trigger. I can shoot a 1911 with short or long ones.

The 97 is a possibility, but I'm always looking for a purpose built 9mm gun that I actually like to shoot and the CZ is pretty iconic.

I did do a trim job on a 1911 hammer, then had to replace the sear, which was minimum spec, it seemed, when I got hammer follow. It functions well now.

I'm more careful now when I stone stuff...

Probably best I look at the basic Shadow, preferably the 75 Shadow.

Pity that the only one I've found would cost me at least $130 more than an SP-01 due to unfavourable tax rates.

But then again in the long run that's peanuts.
 
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