If AR's became NR, would XCR owners trade their XCR's for an AR of equal value...

Hotwheels81 said:
Good point... Also tho...

When the XCR was released it was sold as a next generation AR... Piston gun with a monolithic upper, lots of rail space, enhanced ambi features, better trigger then "most" AR's out of the box, as or if not "more" accurate than all but target specific AR's... It had a lot of hype behind it to justify the price tag and all you needed was lots of money and your name on a wait list 6 months long to own one.... Oh yeah, and red loc-tite... Lots of it... Everywhere....
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And then people got to shoot them and realized that the trigger sucked and that it couldn't even print groups double the size of most AR's. Most AR's will print groups less than 2 moa with decent ammo but from what I've seen very few XCR's will consistently print a group under 2 moa with any ammo. Hence the revision after revision to get us to the XCR of today which is almost a great rifle but still has room to improve. They are significantly better than the first generation rifles though so at least they are moving in the right direction. When they address the barrel retention system and get it to shoot more consistent groups it will be a great rifle, Right now I see it as a good rifle with exceptional support from Wolverine which makes up for it's shortcomings. I still think a person is better off to spend a little more money and buy something else but that's up to each individual to decide for themselves. As long as people keep buying black rifles in Canada I'm happy, I don't care which rifle they pick as long as our community keeps growing. The XCR isn't my pick but I don't think someone is making a mistake by buying one if it fits their list of must have features.

A lot of guys think the XCR has better ergo's than an AR. I don't agree, they are different but I've never had an issue finding the bolt release and I don't need ambi controls myself. Every person is going to feel the most comfortable on the rifle control layout they learned on or use the most. If you've only used an AR a couple times and you own an XCR which you've shot thousands of rounds through then of course you'll be more comfortable on the XCR. It's the same as when an AR guy grabs a Tavor, it's completely different so you must retrain your body muscle memory if you want to be proficient and until then the rifle will feel awkward and you'll want to go back to what you know. I also don't care at all if a rifle can fold or fire from folded. The only time I ever fold my rifles that can be folded is when I put them in a case. I find absolutely no reason to fire it folded as you can't hit anything shooting like that and having the buffer spring under my cheek doesn't bother me one bit. If anything I find that to be an advantage since I can feel and hear the difference between it chambering another round and locking back after last round.

As for the AR going up in price if it did go non restricted. The only thing that could cause that is the sudden increase in demand as most guys that want a non restricted black rifle but can't afford a nice non restricted would now be able to get into the NR black rifle club for around $1000. This would not last though since after a while the supply would catch up to the demand and the increased demand would also die back off to a nice steady rate after a few months.
 
cr5 said:
And then people got to shoot them and realized that the trigger sucked and that it couldn't even print groups double the size of most AR's. Most AR's will print groups less than 2 moa with decent ammo but from what I've seen very few XCR's will consistently print a group under 2 moa with any ammo. Hence the revision after revision to get us to the XCR of today which is almost a great rifle but still has room to improve. They are significantly better than the first generation rifles though so at least they are moving in the right direction. When they address the barrel retention system and get it to shoot more consistent groups it will be a great rifle, Right now I see it as a good rifle with exceptional support from Wolverine which makes up for it's shortcomings. I still think a person is better off to spend a little more money and buy something else but that's up to each individual to decide for themselves. As long as people keep buying black rifles in Canada I'm happy, I don't care which rifle they pick as long as our community keeps growing. The XCR isn't my pick but I don't think someone is making a mistake by buying one if it fits their list of must have features.

A lot of guys think the XCR has better ergo's than an AR. I don't agree, they are different but I've never had an issue finding the bolt release and I don't need ambi controls myself. Every person is going to feel the most comfortable on the rifle control layout they learned on or use the most. If you've only used an AR a couple times and you own an XCR which you've shot thousands of rounds through then of course you'll be more comfortable on the XCR. It's the same as when an AR guy grabs a Tavor, it's completely different so you must retrain your body muscle memory if you want to be proficient and until then the rifle will feel awkward and you'll want to go back to what you know. I also don't care at all if a rifle can fold or fire from folded. The only time I ever fold my rifles that can be folded is when I put them in a case. I find absolutely no reason to fire it folded as you can't hit anything shooting like that and having the buffer spring under my cheek doesn't bother me one bit. If anything I find that to be an advantage since I can feel and hear the difference between it chambering another round and locking back after last round.

As for the AR going up in price if it did go non restricted. The only thing that could cause that is the sudden increase in demand as most guys that want a non restricted black rifle but can't afford a nice non restricted would now be able to get into the NR black rifle club for around $1000. This would not last though since after a while the supply would catch up to the demand and the increased demand would also die back off to a nice steady rate after a few months.
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Lots of good points made CR5 and I strongly agree with your "As long as people keep buying black rifles in Canada I'm happy, I don't care which rifle they pick as long as our community keeps growing." thoughts...

Cheers D
 
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