I had the keymod version, HB,put about 1200 rnds through it, no issues and it was fairly accurate( I could do 1 Moa with Hornady 53 vmax). I also had an SU16 , same as XCR-L 1200 rnds no issues ( accuracy was about 2.5 Moa ). They both worked fine. I wouldn't mind another XCR-L HB but the $3000 price tag is hard to swallow.
Would you buy the Robinson Arms XCR in 6.8mm or 7.62mm? Why?
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Lets continue the derail.....
Glad you like it. According to you it is a far superior design
yet you have never owned an XCR. I am sure it is far better designed rifle for its intended use, but the Tavor and XCR are two different platforms. Personally, (see how I said personally?) I cannot stand the feel of the Tavor at my shoulder, nor do I like the idea of a detonation occurring so close to my temple. The controls were not to my liking either. I am sure I could find a few other things wrong with the rifle that I have only read about, yet espouse as my own experience, but I won't. This doesn't mean it is a crap rifle, it just means it isn't for me. I get that everyone has an opinion, and you are entitled to it, but I always find it fascinating when someone literally takes the time to #### on something they know nothing about.
Funny. I shoot left hand and find the XCR-L is easily "ambi." I've owned Colt HBAR AR and Bushmaster AR and used many Agency AR types.
I find no real deal breakers in an AR v XCR. Peripheral differences are COST in Canada only because of illogical Res/Non Res gun laws, and the same LOCTITE mentality about old model XCRs same as still prevail about 1960s era ARs and their FTF, FTE, ammo.
With the new Keymod XCR-L in 223 I started from the 1st round downrange with the gas setting on #2 and left it there thru the recommended break-in period. I had about 6-8 FTE at the low(#2) setting AND swapping between AE black box, AE redbox, Hornady, Federal, etc. sometimes in the same magazine. RA recommends(in their manual) breaking at the highest setting to prevent the issues I had.
I had about the same amount of stoppages with a new Bushmaster Entry during shakedown(between ammo, mags and just lub/wear in of parts)
I can see no big differences in either of the two platforms. If you are concerned about a slight difference in perceived weight, purchase cost, the XCR is not for you.
If you want to hunt with a "black rifle" in Canuckistan, the XCR is worth looking at. If you wish to just make noise, and heat the barrel, won't any semi do? If you don't hunt and target shoot, I have kept rounds inside a 8.5x11 sheet of paper sitting offhand with different ammo(mentioned above @ 240+ meters.) just to see what it would do on a whim.
I have mine setup to call coyotes, same as I did my AR stateside(meaning BUIS, 45 Reflex and Burris 1.75-5). Never an issue with the XCR weight walking farmland or in the rocky ridges. and accuracy is 1 1/4-1 1/2"@100m prone, premium ammo, bipod, rear bag, 1.75-5 scope.
I find no real deal breakers in an AR v XCR. Peripheral differences are COST in Canada only because of illogical Res/Non Res gun laws, and the same LOCTITE mentality about old model XCRs same as still prevail about 1960s era ARs and their FTF, FTE, ammo.
With the new Keymod XCR-L in 223 I started from the 1st round downrange with the gas setting on #2 and left it there thru the recommended break-in period. I had about 6-8 FTE at the low(#2) setting AND swapping between AE black box, AE redbox, Hornady, Federal, etc. sometimes in the same magazine. RA recommends(in their manual) breaking at the highest setting to prevent the issues I had.
I had about the same amount of stoppages with a new Bushmaster Entry during shakedown(between ammo, mags and just lub/wear in of parts)
I can see no big differences in either of the two platforms. If you are concerned about a slight difference in perceived weight, purchase cost, the XCR is not for you.
If you want to hunt with a "black rifle" in Canuckistan, the XCR is worth looking at. If you wish to just make noise, and heat the barrel, won't any semi do? If you don't hunt and target shoot, I have kept rounds inside a 8.5x11 sheet of paper sitting offhand with different ammo(mentioned above @ 240+ meters.) just to see what it would do on a whim.
I have mine setup to call coyotes, same as I did my AR stateside(meaning BUIS, 45 Reflex and Burris 1.75-5). Never an issue with the XCR weight walking farmland or in the rocky ridges. and accuracy is 1 1/4-1 1/2"@100m prone, premium ammo, bipod, rear bag, 1.75-5 scope.
Unless you see US military switching over to 6.8 spc in the near future, you will never see 6.8 spc being sold in bulk.
As to 7.62x39 drying up, considering they produced over 47 million AK47 and variant, not to mention all the SKS's, there will always be factories pumping out of 7.62x39.
As to 7.62x39 drying up, considering they produced over 47 million AK47 and variant, not to mention all the SKS's, there will always be factories pumping out of 7.62x39.
I believe you could argue that there are firearms/rifles that are a 100% reliable (not just discussing revolvers, bolt actions and single shot rifles/shotguns either, but semi.-auto.'s etc.) IF they are operated correctly with respect to the manufacturers recommendations; which includes the use of the correct ammunition and magazines (not whats just available or cheap) and the replacement of parts that are determined to be showing the required/correct level of wear are completed (before a stoppage/failure occurs). Unfortunately very few people outside of the Military and LEO treat their firearms in this way, with many just shooting and shooting their firearms w/o every learning the correct use or the expected maintenance to be performed as was intended by the firearms manufacturer.
Almost all FTF's, FTE's etc. etc. are caused not by the firearm, but by the incorrect use of the firearm. Not enough lube, dirty/fouled condition, incorrect magazines or ammunition etc. etc. all are the fault of the operator not the firearm. You will hear this same complaint (the owner/operator was at fault) again and again when discussing this topic with gunsmiths anywhere, as this is likely to be the number one reason for needing a gunsmith in the first place since many gun owners have very little to no understanding on the correct operation and maintenance of their firearm, never mind the modification of one. Of course it is unlikely anyone on CGN falls into this category since we are a mere fraction of the responsible firearms owners here in Canada and with many of us being trained enthusiasts and/or current/ex CAF/LEO.
As for Colt Canada's claim, it was that they expect the number of stoppages of their products to be zero. However since CC are not able to monitor how their rifles are used and CC cannot control either the type of ammunition/magazines used or maintenance given that expectation of 100% reliability may not always be met.
Since I've only been discussing Colt Canada rifles to this point the act of bugging and/or tracking would not be an option. Please refer yourself to Colt USA to continue the discussion of 'the bugging and tracking' of rifles.
The reason I bought this over the tavor is it comes in x39 which for my uses is much better suited. The availability of parts is a major concern with the tavor. A call to wolverine and I have anything I need for my xcr in short order. Try finding a tavor barrel...
I have the XCR in both 5.56 and 7.62x39 barrels, with several 1000 rounds down of both and extremely reliable - only issues have been magazine related with the x39. I prefer the x39 for my uses, as it is cheap, plentiful and really makes a TON of noise. I had the chance to pick up one in 6.8 for a good price buy passed up on it based on ammo cost and availability - just can't afford to feed it with the volume I like to shoot. Accuracy is decent, 1.5 MOA most days. I find that the ergonomics are great (better than my AR or VZ58) and my brother, who shoots lefty, has no issues with it and would buy one himself if they weren't so damn expensive.
I would buy one all over again, and would like to buy the xcr-M one day.
I would buy one all over again, and would like to buy the xcr-M one day.
^I would really like a NR option in x39 that uses AK mags so there is not a mag issue like you experienced. Running the STANAG pattern mags in x39 gets even worse reliability wise if you are allowed to run regular capacity mags like in the USA.
ChrisAlston
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I've never owned an XCR (nor had too much interest in one) but my good buddy just bought one- it's the keymod version in x39. We took it, my Tavor and my DD AR out for a range trip. Slapped an Eotech on the XCR and put about 300 rounds thru it. It had no issues whatsoever shooting the surplus ammo.
First impressions from my first XCR experience, and I have to say, it's a really nice rifle. Very flat recoil, nice trigger (better than my AR), intuitive controls. Good, solid feeling rifle, no screws appeared to be falling out at the end. If I didn't already have a Tavor I'd definitely consider it as my NR plinker now, though I still think I'd take my Tavor in the end. Main thing both of us disliked was the FAST stock. Needs a SOPMOD stock like my AR and it would be a pretty slick setup.
So yes, if I could justify the money for another $2k+ rifle, I'd buy an XCR in 7.62x39. Mainly because I have boatloads of 7.62x39 and it was a really fun rifle to blast away with, and there's 10 round pistol mags available. I would likely try and get the 5.56 conversion kit too.
First impressions from my first XCR experience, and I have to say, it's a really nice rifle. Very flat recoil, nice trigger (better than my AR), intuitive controls. Good, solid feeling rifle, no screws appeared to be falling out at the end. If I didn't already have a Tavor I'd definitely consider it as my NR plinker now, though I still think I'd take my Tavor in the end. Main thing both of us disliked was the FAST stock. Needs a SOPMOD stock like my AR and it would be a pretty slick setup.
So yes, if I could justify the money for another $2k+ rifle, I'd buy an XCR in 7.62x39. Mainly because I have boatloads of 7.62x39 and it was a really fun rifle to blast away with, and there's 10 round pistol mags available. I would likely try and get the 5.56 conversion kit too.
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Which caliber do you like better? Take into account availability (in future...7.62 is supposed to dry up, but 6.8 is supported by Remington. No one supports 7.62 in North America), power, accuracy, etc.
Thanks
If your primary concern is ammo availability go with the x39. Power & accuracy - what are your needs? Is there a reason you are restricting your options to these two calibers? Depending on what you want to do with the rifle, there may be better options. The .308 would seem to satisfy your stated requirements nicely.
andrew3081
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I believe you could argue that there are firearms/rifles that are a 100% reliable (not just discussing revolvers, bolt actions and single shot rifles/shotguns either, but semi.-auto.'s etc.) IF they are operated correctly with respect to the manufacturers recommendations; which includes the use of the correct ammunition and magazines (not whats just available or cheap) and the replacement of parts that are determined to be showing the required/correct level of wear are completed (before a stoppage/failure occurs). Unfortunately very few people outside of the Military and LEO treat their firearms in this way, with many just shooting and shooting their firearms w/o every learning the correct use or the expected maintenance to be performed as was intended by the firearms manufacturer.
Almost all FTF's, FTE's etc. etc. are caused not by the firearm, but by the incorrect use of the firearm. Not enough lube, dirty/fouled condition, incorrect magazines or ammunition etc. etc. all are the fault of the operator not the firearm. You will hear this same complaint (the owner/operator was at fault) again and again when discussing this topic with gunsmiths anywhere, as this is likely to be the number one reason for needing a gunsmith in the first place since many gun owners have very little to no understanding on the correct operation and maintenance of their firearm, never mind the modification of one. Of course it is unlikely anyone on CGN falls into this category since we are a mere fraction of the responsible firearms owners here in Canada and with many of us being trained enthusiasts and/or current/ex CAF/LEO.
As for Colt Canada's claim, it was that they expect the number of stoppages of their products to be zero. However since CC are not able to monitor how their rifles are used and CC cannot control either the type of ammunition/magazines used or maintenance given that expectation of 100% reliability may not always be met.
Since I've only been discussing Colt Canada rifles to this point the act of bugging and/or tracking would not be an option. Please refer yourself to Colt USA to continue the discussion of 'the bugging and tracking' of rifles.
So in other words, you have no idea if the other firearms are 100% problem free or not.
