Model 70 supergrade 300win mag rechamber to 300h&h??

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So I love supergrades and I love the 300h&h
My question is. Can I simply buy a new one in 300 win mag and have a gunsmith rechamber it for 300h&h?
Or is there a lot more to it?
By the way I am not a fan of the win mag so not interested in keeping in it.
Thanks guys
 
I am not sure but I think that the parameters of the 300 win mag at the shoulder are greater then at the same point of the 300 H&H. That means that you are most likely looking at a rebarrell rather then a rechamber.
 
This would not be possible to do unless the original barrel had an exceptionally long shank,
since the barrel would have to be set back a lot to clean up a 300 Win mag chamber with a 300 H&H reamer.

Not a likely scenario. Rebarrelling is the way to go if you want a 300 H&H.

Also, watch magazine length, since the 300 H&H is longer overall than the 300 Win mag is.

A number of rifles chambered for the 300 Win Mag lack the extra magazine length to accommodate the 300 H&H.

Regards, Dave.
 
In addition to the chamber issue you need a magnum length mag box, changes to ejector, I would think a few changes to the feed ramp. Definitely a gunsmith or experienced amateur job.

There are several on here that have converted a Mod 70 from a 2.5" class case to a 2.85". They should be able to shed more light on the subject.
 
Dogleg is entirely right though he forgot to mention the immense increase in cool you get when rebarrelling to the Holland. I love mine, but the only real gain you get is super smooth feeding.
 
I own a pre-64 M70 in 300 H&H, it's a rifle I've owned for a long time now and it being the sweetheart it is, I'd hate to have to part with it. . The long tapered cartridge goes through the rifle smoother than a teenager goes through his allowance and it groups in tighter than most of us are capable of. . But there's more to the rifle than that . . the stock design of the pre-64's (NRA stock design) makes the rifle so shootable as the recoil is a pleasure even with the steel buttplate. . The whole outfit is just a joy to have. .

I also have a pre-64 M70 in 338 WM which is the same parent cartridge as the 300 WM just producing a bigger hole and more energy. . I like it as well and have no problem hunting with it. . I have to admit, I'd sure like a pre-64 in 300 WM but can't justify paying what is currently asked for one. . Besides the fit and finish in 1963 was just terrible, especially the checkering.

Now, back to your thoughts on a new M70 in 300 WM.. Sometimes we can understand things better if we know how it works. . Winchester in the late 1950's and early 1960's were looking for a way to make money again building rifles and shotguns. . They decided one way to save on cost was to shorten the action while maintaining the punch. . In the late 1950's they fattened and shortened the 300/375 H&H case and came up with the 458 WM, 338 WM, 300 WM and the 264 WM all sharing a shorter case being called a short belted magnum. . What better cartridge to shorten up than the 300/375 H&H. . Expand out the shoulders, shorten the neck and overall length and there it was; the 300 WM replicating the 300 H&H magnum. . The 300 H&H, in my view, is a better all round cartridge eg. more efficient with powder, able to handle lighter bullets with supreme accuracy, easier to reload, etc. . All kinds of reasons to prefer the H&H, but, the 300 WM is no loafer and Winchester improved the loadings and bragged it up as superior to the H&H to help with the sales. .

The moral of all this is; if I wanted a brand new M70 in 30 caliber magnum I'd be buying up one in 300 WM and would shoot the hell out of it. . No problem with wanting a 300 H&H, every once in awhile a pre-64 M70, in 300 H&H, comes available and the extra money you'd pay over a new M70 would most likely be quite a bit less than the cost of converting a new one over to 300 H&H. . One thing for certain, the pre-64 would be a better investment if you need to sell out.

Anyways, a bit long winded, but life is good and I'm sure you'll be fine with whatever you decide.
 
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You want to start with a 30-06, then you needn't rebarrel it. Open the bolt face, rechamber, and lengthen the bolt throw, all very easily done. I did a supergrade from 338 WM to 340 Wby, not a big deal.
 
Is this a "you can't get there from here" issue?

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Dogleg is entirely right though he forgot to mention the immense increase in cool you get when rebarrelling to the Holland. I love mine, but the only real gain you get is super smooth feeding.


There is one more difference in the actions. The express length actions have the ejection port opened up another .300". I've converted standard length to FL magnum length without changing the window and they worked fine, but I obviously can't absolutely say it never matters. It might have something to do with ease of loading, but that doesn't explain why the .458 has the same window as a .375 or .416 Rem.
 
You need to rebarrelling because the H&H reamer will not clean up the shoulder of the 300WM chamber. If you have cases for each, stand them next to the other and then see how far back you would have to set the barrel before you could be rid of the shoulder of the WM. You won't have enough shank to do it, in all likelihood.

Rechambering straight-walled cartridges isn't rocket science, generally. But if you mess up your math you end up with a 257 Weatherby that leaves a little ring around the brass when you fire it because the Weatherby reamer doesn't clean up a 250 Ackley Magnum chamber without setback. How long until the case separates due to that ring? I don't know. Maybe I'll find out, or maybe it will be the donor I bought it to be.
 
. Just the H&H is soooo much cooler. And classic

I can't argue with you there. . .but the big part of cool is the originality of the whole gun . . and what's more original than a pre-64 Winchester Model 70 in 300 H&H. . After the 1000 yd Wimbledon was won with a 300 H&H Magnum by Ben Comfort in the 1935, Winchester, in 1937, chambered their new Model 70 in the 300 H&H cartridge . . . . http://www.reloadersnest.com/article_300hh_oct2803.asp

FYI . . the 300 H&H case will hold a tad more powder and can exceed the 300 WM and almost touch the 300 Weatherby with 180 gr. bullets. But once you start using 200 gr + bullets the 300 WBY justifies itself and surpasses both the H&H and the WM.

 
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