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JCMarin

JCMarin

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I am looking at three pistols for IPSC production division.

Grand Power excalibur
Pros
Seems low recoil
Accurate
Reliable

Cons
Hoslers and mag pouches are hard to find
New pistol on our markets (chuck223 please don't answer here even if I think you are a great guy joking... Feel free to answer)
New compare to hk, walther, sig and glocks

Walther p99 5 inches
Pros
Good trigger
Reliable

Cons
I don't know please educate me

Tangfolio stock III

Pro
Cz like mine right now

I don't know much but they have good reviews.

Please educate me on these three for production division. I own or have owned glocks, cz, sigs, hk, kimber, springfield and s&w. Ruger is out of the question for other reasons even if they are fine handguns.
 
I know and love mine. But I am truly looking for a 5 inch production handgun with longer sight radius. For very long shots in IPSC. I love my 1911 5 inch barrel and seemed to find my cz just a bit short sometimes. I will never sell my cz and it is a better pistol than I am a shooter. Hey! I just want to try another one and bring it as my just in case second pistol.
 
If you are shooting IPSC for fun - who cares about the gun, use what ever you feel is better for you. If you have enough guts - get CZ75 SP01 Shadow and be on par with big boys ;) in Production Div.
 
Glocks are outstanding pistols but I prefer my CZ by far. I want something equal to my Cz or superior. For my taste. IMO Pistols are subjective to the handler. I have tried many but my research ends with tangfolio, grand power and walther. I just need your input about these pistols for IPSC competition in the production division. My favorite division. Tangfolio are based,on the CZ model and would like input about reliability. It is the easiest choice for me as my equipment (holsters and mag pouches) are set up for CZ. But... I am also interested by the Grand Power excalibur and want to know more. Canuck223 feel free to help and give your input. i know these pistols are gaining popularity in competitions especially in Europe. Finally, the walther 5 inches p99 is looking fine. I just love combat pistols. The feeling I have is the Walther will end up in my cabinet and will stare at it more than use it in competition.


I have to get something out of my chest. At the last IPSC competiton, something very strange happened. Two glocks jammed. Everybody was amazed to see the first on jam. Even the range officer sais that's a first. The second was like the apocalypse. I never believed I would see this. I am not trashing at glocks. I love these pistols and they are built to shoot and are extremely reliable pistols. They are built to spit bullets. I just wanted to share that jams happen to the most reliable pistols.
 
Thanks heavenisalie, I was afraid of that and your answer shortens my list to Tangfolio and Grand Power.
 
JCMarin said:
Thanks heavenisalie, I was afraid of that and your answer shortens my list to Tangfolio and Grand Power.
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Until Grandpower becomes as prolific as a CZ I would stick with a CZ.

I also recommend looking at a M&P. They are very good guns and cheap.
 
JCMarin said:
Glocks are outstanding pistols but I prefer my CZ by far. I want something equal to my Cz or superior. For my taste. IMO Pistols are subjective to the handler. I have tried many but my research ends with tangfolio, grand power and walther. I just need your input about these pistols for IPSC competition in the production division. My favorite division. Tangfolio are based,on the CZ model and would like input about reliability. It is the easiest choice for me as my equipment (holsters and mag pouches) are set up for CZ. But... I am also interested by the Grand Power excalibur and want to know more. Canuck223 feel free to help and give your input. i know these pistols are gaining popularity in competitions especially in Europe. Finally, the walther 5 inches p99 is looking fine. I just love combat pistols. The feeling I have is the Walther will end up in my cabinet and will stare at it more than use it in competition.


I have to get something out of my chest. At the last IPSC competiton, something very strange happened. Two glocks jammed. Everybody was amazed to see the first on jam. Even the range officer sais that's a first. The second was like the apocalypse. I never believed I would see this. I am not trashing at glocks. I love these pistols and they are built to shoot and are extremely reliable pistols. They are built to spit bullets. I just wanted to share that jams happen to the most reliable pistols.
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I'm betting ammo..at least for one of them..
 
Well start by separating potential candidates based on prize to begin with , and when you have made you mind to what you can afford look for pros / cons in that prize bracket.Listing 3-4 pistols when they are miles apart in price will add to the confusion. And yes I do believe the money you spend does reflect the quality. It is true that a talented shooter can do very well with a average pistol, but is even more true that a average shooter could do better and move faster up the ranks with a good and proven in competition pistol.
 
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Ok I agree with you. It's the same with music instruments and other sports. Any recommandations then for production between 1500$ and 2000$? Any suggestion Will help.
 
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H'm a new shooter and choose to run with the Grand Power X-Cal. So far, its been a great gun (once you figure out how to change the grip-backs). I have shot the shadow a little bit too, and to be honest, at my level, the results are the same but they do shot different. I find the PG a little "snappier" and super easy to work on. I've never stripped a Shadow but I understand they have a ton more springs and little parts. The GP is, while different (rotating barrel), has far less to it.
 
I'm a fairly traditional guy, love my all metal STI 1911's and CZ SP01 Shadow. But I found the fit of the GP X-Calibur to be much better in my hand - especially after I put grip tape on it. The stock CZ rubber grips fit my hand well, but when my hands get sweaty in the summer, they get a little slippery. Tried a variety of different checkered aluminum and aluminum/grip tape grips, but still didn't feel as good in my hands as the X-Calibur.

The all metal Shadow does manage recoil well, I don't think anyone will ever have any problem with it. But, the design of the X-Calibur does manage recoil better for a softer feel. And I do like that the rear sights are adjustable so I can dial them in to match the ammo I'm shooting. I found a definite difference between POA and POI with factory 115/124gr ammo and my 147gr reloads for IPSC.

The downsides of the X-Calibur is that it is sensitive to being lubed properly (use a synthetic motor oil), and I find it performs best when I clean it after ~500 rounds. Because of the rotating barrel design and soft recoil, the recoil spring is very light (compared to my Glock, Shadow, 1911's), so if your barrel chamber or the ammo is dirty, the slide may not return fully to battery. Not a big problem as you get a light strike which may put the slide into battery, and then you can do a DA trigger pull to get the shot off. Just puts you off your rythm a bit when it happens.

A lot of people are also finding extra mags and spare parts a challenge, but I expect Trigger Wholesale to have that soon rectified. It's tough introducing a new product line and setting up your supply chain. I'm not too concerned. I've always had great support from Canuck223, and I've had to wait for 6 months to 2+ years for parts for some of my other guns (S&W Model 41's, High Standards, Walther GSP, ....)

Net is that I'm using my Grand Power X-Calibur for IPSC, got another one for a practice/backup gun, a K22 X-Trim for some cheap practice, and just bought another K100 to try out some various loads I want to work on (don't want to thrash / blow up my X-Caliburs).
 
learning to field strip the Shadow is easier, but with practice both can be field stripped and clean very easily. I've detail stripped my Shadow and X-Calibur, and both have their intricacies. The Shadow sear/ejector assembly is a small complex package - so I leave that alone. The Grand Power design is really nice and easy to lift out and visually inspect from the frame. But there are a few times where you have to use capture/slave pins to reassemble. And getting that magazine retention bar back in place is a real PAIN - you should never have to do this so DON'T lol.

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H'm a new shooter and choose to run with the Grand Power X-Cal. So far, its been a great gun (once you figure out how to change the grip-backs). I have shot the shadow a little bit too, and to be honest, at my level, the results are the same but they do shot different. I find the PG a little "snappier" and super easy to work on. I've never stripped a Shadow but I understand they have a ton more springs and little parts. The GP is, while different (rotating barrel), has far less to it.
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Thanks for your answers. I have decided to go with Tanfoglio stock III extreme for the following reasons: my set up (mag carriers, ect...) is CZ and found that they were compatible with Tanfoglio. I love my CZ and therefore will adapt more easely with Tanfoglio.(uncertain about this but probability is high). I have the CZ cadet and will practice with a similar pistol. Mags are compatible and own several already. In conclusion, this was my thinking prior to my final decision. Thanks for your advice.

Grand power are still interesting me. Might be my next purchase. I will wait one year and a half to hear more about these firearms. I would like to try one before purchasing. I must try a Grand Power. Curiosity. Hell! i want to try them all.

I also keep in mind that my "old" CZ is still a better pistol than I am a shooter. I believe that Grand power is the same and my Tanfoglio will be the same for sure. I have to wait a bit before I receive it. Might make a review. Can't wait to practice and compete with it. Good service when I purchased.
 
I hear the Stock III is a great handgun, you are going to love it :) If you are ever in the Vancouver area and want to play with some Grand Power handguns, just give me a shout. Bring your Stock III if you can, I'd love to try that out :)

JCMarin said:
Thanks for your answers. I have decided to go with Tanfoglio stock III extreme for the following reasons: my set up (mag carriers, ect...) is CZ and found that they were compatible with Tanfoglio. I love my CZ and therefore will adapt more easely with Tanfoglio.(uncertain about this but probability is high). I have the CZ cadet and will practice with a similar pistol. Mags are compatible and own several already. In conclusion, this was my thinking prior to my final decision. Thanks for your advice.

Grand power are still interesting me. Might be my next purchase. I will wait one year and a half to hear more about these firearms. I would like to try one before purchasing. I must try a Grand Power. Curiosity. Hell! i want to try them all.

I also keep in mind that my "old" CZ is still a better pistol than I am a shooter. I believe that Grand power is the same and my Tanfoglio will be the same for sure. I have to wait a bit before I receive it. Might make a review. Can't wait to practice and compete with it. Good service when I purchased.
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You already have a CZ. If it falls under Production division -- keep it and shoot it :)
Other than that, it's what feels right. Go to the store and dry fire all of them to get an idea of what feels right.
 
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