Sighting in my XCR-L today

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We have had some nice weather in Edmonton so I have been to the CHAS range several times this week. A couple of days ago I was out trying to get a sub 1MOA group out of my Tikka T3 in 223 but failed. Today I was out with my XCR-L keymod to sight in a new Leupold VX6 3-18x50.






After a quick sight in this was one of my first groups, .73" centre to centre. Not bad with Norinco cheap ammo. After failing to get a sub 1moa group out of my Tikka, this was quite a surprise given how most people were thinking 2moa or 3moa for an xcr.
 
Nice rifle, nice shooting too, but ...
Did you run out of ammo? You should have finished the group, 3 rounds are not representative of what's to come.
;)

Nice start though.
 
I kept this one clean and put a lot of rounds on another target. My Tikka had a 3 Rd magazine so I thought I would keep a clean page for reference. Most of my targets get too many rounds to show much. The Xcr shot very well and the Leupold VX6 3-18 is very nice. I ended up getting the occasional flyer but I blame myself or the Norinco ammo. My Xcr is probably shooting 1.5moa most days, maybe better with reloads, but I was pleasantly surprised to see a nice group. The Tikka does not seem to like Norinco ammo and is probably looking for something heavier in a reload. It shot over 2 moa with Norinco ammo
 
Nice shootn Eze,that's encouraging!!
Just picked up my new XCR-L on Wedensday,put 60 rounds thru it on Thursday just for shiz n giggs with the standard Troy sights included.Looking forward to mounting the optics and see what it's capable of printing?I bought into this with expectations of 1.5-2ishMOA(?)....but again,your target is inspiring.I'm meeting a fellow CGNer here in CGY tommorow to buy PEPR mount and Trijicon 3-9x40 Accupoint.....also have both LAR-15 and Beowulf mags enroute from Ont.....should be here M-T,so next week should be more fun with lotsa brass flying.
Wasn't actually planning to put the 3-9x on it,rather was gonna put my 1.5-4.5x32 Elite Firefly on it,and swap the Trijicon onto my 30-06 Rem pump......decisions decisions...we'll see?
 
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I won't even touch the three round group thing, I know how it is when you buy a new rifle and hopes are high.
But norinco ammo in a t3 ? Sub moa ? That stuff is inconsistent in projectile size/weight and charge weight. It's xcr fodder for sure.
 
Yup the norc stuff ranges from super accurate to not so much. Good shooting. My older L's sub moa for three or four and then over for five rounds, but right around 1 moa. That's in 6.8. Ignore the haters, if you shot five rounds, they'd say you needed ten and on and on and on......
 
werewolf said:
Yup the norc stuff ranges from super accurate to not so much. Good shooting. My older L's sub moa for three or four and then over for five rounds, but right around 1 moa. That's in 6.8. Ignore the haters, if you shot five rounds, they'd say you needed ten and on and on and on......
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My XCR's main intended purpose is to be a coyote rig first and foremost,therefore the 1st cold barrelled shot is the one that matters most to me.1-1.5MOA would be great,but I could live with sub 2MOA on spray n' pray follow-ups taken at the remaining pack of fleeing survivors with their afterburners lit for the next township.
Again,I bought into this platform with realistic expectations of Minute of Coyote<300m.....if I want to poke gophers in the eye@200m,I'll use my single/break action .204 H&R.

Fwiw....stopped in to CSC yesterday and they had received a shipment of LAR-15 mags sometime since Wed??
......get'em while there hot!
 
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werewolf said:
Yup the norc stuff ranges from super accurate to not so much. Good shooting. My older L's sub moa for three or four and then over for five rounds, but right around 1 moa. That's in 6.8. Ignore the haters, if you shot five rounds, they'd say you needed ten and on and on and on......
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That is only because a bunch of us haters shoot 10, 12, 40, 50, and 70+ round matches and need to know how (and where) our rifle will group as it warms and when hot.
We also need to know the rifles true grouping capacity so we can correctly adjust our point of aim or know when to leave it alone as the group is centered. Chasing the VBull at 500m with a 3 MOA rifle as if it is a sub MOA rifle will cost you more points than it will gain.
 
Gunnerlove said:
That is only because a bunch of us haters shoot 10, 12, 40, 50, and 70+ round matches and need to know how (and where) our rifle will group as it warms and when hot.
We also need to know the rifles true grouping capacity so we can correctly adjust our point of aim or know when to leave it alone as the group is centered. Chasing the VBull at 500m with a 3 MOA rifle as if it is a sub MOA rifle will cost you more points than it will gain.
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So don't buy one.
 
Gunnerlove said:
That is only because a bunch of us haters shoot 10, 12, 40, 50, and 70+ round matches and need to know how (and where) our rifle will group as it warms and when hot.
We also need to know the rifles true grouping capacity so we can correctly adjust our point of aim or know when to leave it alone as the group is centered. Chasing the VBull at 500m with a 3 MOA rifle as if it is a sub MOA rifle will cost you more points than it will gain.
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For many of us, our "matches" tend to be over in 1-2 shots.....When the coyote does a nose dive....Game, Set, Match... :)
 
Ezesport said:
We have had some nice weather in Edmonton so I have been to the CHAS range several times this week. A couple of days ago I was out trying to get a sub 1MOA group out of my Tikka T3 in 223 but failed. Today I was out with my XCR-L keymod to sight in a new Leupold VX6 3-18x50.






After a quick sight in this was one of my first groups, .73" centre to centre. Not bad with Norinco cheap ammo. After failing to get a sub 1moa group out of my Tikka, this was quite a surprise given how most people were thinking 2moa or 3moa for an xcr.
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Nice scope. How much and from where?
 
You should check out stormchasers post on his modern hunter,,,that gives you an idea of accuracy. Post an update with 5 5 shot groups on one target with Norc ammo, if you can do that (3/4 MOA), you're XCR will shoot better then 99.99999% out there.

Cheers!!
 
berger said:
For many of us, our "matches" tend to be over in 1-2 shots.....When the coyote does a nose dive....Game, Set, Match... :)
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I get what you're saying Berger.

However when someone posts up a #3 shot group (not #3 dead coyotes) and thinks it's a fair representation of their rifles capability accuracy wise; those that know better need to set them straight if only for the fact, others don't buy said rifle expecting the same accuracy capability on every shot.

I say this not to detract from Ezesport's shooting, but to put some reality into the mix regarding the difficult task of maintaining MOA or better accuracy with every shot placement. People spend serious money on precision built firearm's and significant time developing ammunition to be able to maintain MOA or better accuracy on each and every shot. Offering up one #3 round group from a non-precision semi.-auto. rifle and then posting it up like it's to be expected doesn't portray a true reality of the rifles actual accuracy.

Especially as this #3Rd. group is compared to a Tikka rifle group that was not sub-MOA using the same ammo., places a shade of light that is likely far from the truth and more likely to be completely incorrect. Yet because it was written in a way as to state the XCR grouping is superior to the Tikka some will buy a XCR expecting this unrealistic accuracy on each and every shot of their XCR.


Why, Because shooting #5 separate targets (can be on the same page) with #10 shots each and then over lapping those targets is what's really needed for a fair representation of what 'that rifle' is capable of with 'that shooter', using 'that ammunition' while under the influence of whatever the particular environmental conditions are during the shoot.

Cheers D
 
So the weather in edmonton was still nice yesterday up until it started raining and snowing. I wanted to try my heavy barrel 223 on my xcr. About 1.5moa groups as expected with norc ammo. Don't get me wrong people, an XCR is a 1.5moa to 2moa gun most days. My thin barrel seems to shoot a little better than the heavy barrel in 223. I have yet to try my 7.62x39 barrel or my 6.8spc barrel.



I also took out the Tikka. Such disappointment. I tried factory remington and some federal brass reloads. All the groups kinda looked like this. Even spent $92 to buy a new 6 rd magazine.



This is what I am shooting with my Tikka.



Tikka T3 Tactical with a Nightforce NSX 8-32x56 on an Amercian Defence mount. You would think +4K would do a lot better. And yes, I have paper tested the barrel for free float, checked the torque on all bolts. I am waiting for a shipment of Amax pills to try. I should ask on the precision forum if someone knows where to go from here.


After the wind, rain and crap started, I headed to the indoor range at Phoenix and try a used Savage 10FCP-SR that I just got.



This was using the berdean primed South African 7.62 that P&D sold. Good ammo.

Savage 10FCP-HS Nice gun for under $1k
 
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