CED/DAA RangePack Pro Backpack: pistol sleeve and transportation?

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Hey all,

I'm considering buying a CED/DAA RangePack Pro Backpack.


The lower compartment is encased in rigid plastic, you can see him demonstrating it at 3:11. This has me thinking, does anyone here who has it simply put their trigger locked pistol in a pistol sleeve inside that rigid bottom compartment, and then zipper lock it for transport? That would be much more easier than using big bulky pistol cases, but I'm wondering what you all think about the legality of it. In theory it should match the "sturdy" qualifier.

I'm asking here because chances are some of you shooting action matches have this bag. Wondering what are your thoughts / experience on this.

Thanks
 
Let me shortcut this discussion....it doesn't matter what any one CGNer thinks or does, there is no legal defense offered because "other people online do it"....the only opinions that are relevant are the police officers opinion if you get pulled over and searched, the prosecutors opinion if you get charged, and the judges/jury's opinion if it goes to court.

Ask 10 different people on what the firearms act definition of "container" is and you'll probably get 10 different answers. You need to read the transport regs and come to your own conclusion.

This has literally been discussed 100 times in the legalese forum and it always devolves to the same rhetoric.
 
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Look at the threads on Enos forum regarding the pack. They are collapsing at the bottom compartment due to the weight on top in about 3 months, and they are saying it's normal. Once collapsed you have to work to get the zipper open or closed.

If you load it up too much, you will need a cart to transport it.

I saw one before they were released for sale and it was on a CED cart.

I use a repurposed jogger stroller and a regular shooting bag.
 
We have been selling these for about a year and a half now. I think everyone that has bought one also bought a cart which I think is really the ideal way to use this bag given it's size. I keep the bag on the cart and just put the whole thing in my car and then bring it back inside when done. Using this method with the cart, I have not experienced any sagging and I probably have 40-50 lbs in my bag at any given time. I think the cart supports the bag to keep it's shape. The bag is awesome to have at matches. The large one comes with a chair, water bladder, etc. Using the cart, you also have a loading table, drink holster and umbrella holder. I love these things.

The lower compartment if really where you are supposed to put your ammo and heavy items. That compartment has a hard plastic shell to help prevent sagging.

Just my feedback.
 
The point where you start needing a cart to properly move around a backpack is the point at which you should stop calling it a "backpack".

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One thing I've come to learn over my 20 years shooting IPSC - the amount of stuff you carry to the range will be equal to the capacity of your bag. Buy a small bag, you will fill it. Buy a bigger bag, you will fill it but you will fill it with stuff that you do not need.

I use a Magnus Sports backpack from the Phillipines. Damn near impossible to find in Canada. However, I've seen lots of people with some very good backpacks which i believe come from 5.11 Tactical. A good bag is not large; it is well organized with all of the compartments easily accessible.
 
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One great thing about most of the 3gun matches I enjoy is that I can drive my truck right up to the stage... Pop the tailgate and there ya go....
 
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One thing I've come to learn over my 20 years shooting IPSC - the amount of stuff you carry to the range will be equal to the capacity of your bag. Buy a small bag, you will fill it. Buy a bigger bag, you will fill it but you will fill it with stuff that you do not need.
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This is so true! You don't "need" to carry all this stuff but when you go to practice, it is awfully nice to have everything you "could" end up using and having it in an organized fashion. The worst thing is driving to the range and discovering you forgot something you end up needing. That falls back to my leave it attached to the cart philosophy. The bag always has the right stuff in it and is always ready to go.

If I was traveling to a match, I wouldn't take a fraction of the same stuff.
 
As an alternative to this bag, I'm using an iShot Gurkha as my range bag. Similar idea to the CED/DAA pack but at a smaller size. So far it's fit everything I need for a day at the range, and I've been able to carry a pistol, PPE, belt/holster/mag pouches, cleaning supplies/squib rod, staple gun, targets, water bottle, 500 rounds of ammunition, 6 magazines with no issues. I haven't had issues with the weight distribution either. It even has the plastic reinforced bottom compartment for your ammunition. Very much like this bag.
 
Polling users online may not yield satisfactory or conclusive results or opinions.
Better yet is to re-read the RCMP Firearms Program requirements for storing and transporting of restricted firearms -- it's all written AND depicted very clearly there.
If in doubt -- go to the SOURCE.
 
ss1980 said:
Polling users online may not yield satisfactory or conclusive results or opinions.
Better yet is to re-read the RCMP Firearms Program requirements for storing and transporting of restricted firearms -- it's all written AND depicted very clearly there.
If in doubt -- go to the SOURCE.
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If it is so "very clearly there", why is it that this question comes up again and again? And I don't believe the "SOURCE" as you call it is the "RCMP Firearms Program requirements". I think what one should consult is The Firearms Act:

...a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation.

The debate that recurs is whether or not a locked case with a zipper constitutes something that cannot readily be broken open; I don't believe this has been tested in Canadian courts so we get these debates over and over with no definitive answer.
 
Another thing to contemplate is do you think you can defend in court that this is not easily broken open or into?:

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Most zippers can be opened with no more than your finger.

Shawn
 
The trunk of my car is a locked container that can't be seen into or readily broken open!!
I usually just toss everything loose in the trunk.
Sure I break a front sight or two every so often, but I don't really use them anyways as shown by my match results.
Plus they get a nice roughed up patina that gives me instant operator like status.
 
Runningfool said:
The debate that recurs is whether or not a locked case with a zipper constitutes something that cannot readily be broken open; I don't believe this has been tested in Canadian courts so we get these debates over and over with no definitive answer.
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I don't want a definitive answer.

The rules are vague for a reason. Sure, some say their vagueness can be used against a gun owner, but the same vagueness can be used as a viable defense.
That is if in fact you're ever in a million years charged with an offense related to your storage/transport practices.

I often transport an AR and pistol in the same soft, zippered case... When going through customs or in the presence of various LE personnel zero f***'s have been given.
I lose no sleep over my chosen container(s).
 
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