New lightweight mountain rifle, with a heavy side of Grizz. Debate starter.

I have 2 Mannlicher Shoenauer (one in a carbine) in 9.5x56(7) for much the same reasons as you expressed. They are light, hard hitting (albeit slow moving) round. I have loaded them with Hornady 270 grain and the TSX. Trouble being in the MS platform, you are a little short on room for a long bullet.

The rifle has the pop up peep sight and it is more than accurate enough at 50-75 yds, even with my eyes. The carbine is scoped and is every bit as usable and accurate.

I did plan on using one or the other overseas, but have not done so yet.

I feel that it is an eminently efficient and tidy round and with the correct bullet SHOULD prove a good stopper for certain critters...trouble is that no game has fallen to it as yet so it is all conjecture on my part.
 
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Fair enough, and the more I chew this the more I like everything I actually hunt with using .375 projectiles. Think I'd plan it entirely around the 250gr TTSX, I better mock up a couple rounds and see how they look for bullet seating and OAL. That would dictate if I move to the .284 case I imagine.
 
Its not a .375 and there's no plan to hunt grizzlies in the near future, but this is along the lines I was thinking about when I bought my.350 Remington Magnum. I went with the Ruger m77 for the ability to seat longer bullets but one could save weight and have a trimmer rifle if a Remington Model 600 or 673 was used.

I've read recoil would be a PITA though.
 
I was thinking .350 RM, with which I have plenty of experience. Also, with .358 Win and .35 Whelen and the 9.3's... Angus you are considering the TTSX at moderate velocities, but I would prefer a standard cup and core bullets in 250's or Partitions when pushing them from 2200-2400. I can move 250's out of a 16.5" Ruger Frontier @ 2200... they don't much like to stop... considering the modest recoil and compact package, there is disproportionate terminal performance.
 
If I were hunting grizzly in the mountains, I would want to shoot it at less than 100 yrds but have the ability to shoot it at over 250. Broadside, frontside or up the tail. I would want a heavy tsx with a MV of 2700 fps+. And a lightweight stainless, short barrelled piece for crawling around in the alders. Or on a quad.

375 H&H. Or 338 win mag. Not trendy or custom though.
 
I recently sold my 375 and am going to use a 358Win that Bevan King did for me on a 700 action. Weighs 7.25lbs in a std. McMillan with a FXII 4x. This could loose some weight in an Edge or a Brown if needed.

Cases are easy with reformed 308 and lots of 35cal bullets. I plan on using 200 Hornady SPs for deer and 250 Speers for larger game if the chance comes around again. That's the beauty of the 358 is it's versatility. It would be very similar I would think to a 9.3x57, but components would be easier.
 
hoytcanon said:
I was thinking .350 RM, with which I have plenty of experience. Also, with .358 Win and .35 Whelen and the 9.3's... Angus you are considering the TTSX at moderate velocities, but I would prefer a standard cup and core bullets in 250's or Partitions when pushing them from 2200-2400. I can move 250's out of a 16.5" Ruger Frontier @ 2200... they don't much like to stop... considering the modest recoil and compact package, there is disproportionate terminal performance.
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Fair point on Barnes and impact velocities, probably time I became a partition fan. Exactly the package I'm after, very very light, and hits above its weight. You know what's going on here and I'll be doing 99% long walking with a fair size pack, lots of scouting and want a wand like little carbine that still delivers a payload that you can knod about. On goats my rifle's job will still be bear duty most of the time, but it has to get up the mountain too.
 
Ardent said:
It's interesting to me too, and thinking with the advent of respectable BC monos it could well provide the reach I'd need the odd time. A 6lb'ish .375 bore all weather carbine is just tempting- even if the 7x57 makes arguably more sense.
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Sorta like this one? A Husqvarna 46a in 9.3x57. Not a .375, but slightly better SD.
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Maybe dis...A .375 Winchester 94 Big Bore. With 265 gr. boolits, bear beware.
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I wonder how both calibers perform out of a short barrel rifle.
For me a mountan/ bear rifle needs to be short .
Most times I wind up grab the shortest and lightest rifles I own, thes days it a 44mag or my 444 Marlen I'm not a big fan of either one but do like the shorter rifles wen im packing in the bush no matter if I'm hunting or working it has to be light weight and short always com first with me long befor the caliber
 
Ardent said:
Fair point on Barnes and impact velocities, probably time I became a partition fan. Exactly the package I'm after, very very light, and hits above its weight. You know what's going on here and I'll be doing 99% long walking with a fair size pack, lots of scouting and want a wand like little carbine that still delivers a payload that you can knod about. On goats my rifle's job will still be bear duty most of the time, but it has to get up the mountain too.
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I know exactly what you mean... and a fair concept... of course none of the options are "wrong"... more "50 Shades of Grey" as it were...

The mid-bore, moderate velocity has great merit in your chosen platform... enough legs for reasonable shooting (with passable stalking skills), diameter/mass/momentum to be persuasive, five rounds to jack (with one in the tube), comfortable for goats or blacktail (pack fast and then hussle)... post pics and details when she's done.

The bottom one here is an ought six that is being loaded with 220 Partitions, with a similar purpose in mind...

 
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Ardent said:
Already heckling Johnn by PM about your old SS 7x57 RSI, and a heavy -06 is nothing to sniff at.
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He had taken such a fondness to that one, I couldn't find it in myself to deny him... I am certain that he will put it to good use... I have a couple more of those enroute...
 
SuperCub said:
I recently sold my 375 and am going to use a 358Win that Bevan King did for me on a 700 action. Weighs 7.25lbs in a std. McMillan with a FXII 4x. This could loose some weight in an Edge or a Brown if needed.

Cases are easy with reformed 308 and lots of 35cal bullets. I plan on using 200 Hornady SPs for deer and 250 Speers for larger game if the chance comes around again. That's the beauty of the 358 is it's versatility. It would be very similar I would think to a 9.3x57, but components would be easier.
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That sounds like serious and practical hunting rifle . I built something very similar only in 350 RM . The 250s were a bit snappy but worked great on big stuff . I eventually went with Nosler 225 partitions at about 2600 fops , they shot quite flat and penetrated just as deeply as the Speer 250s I used before .
Give the 225s a try in your 358 , they really work well on heavy game and with a lot less recoil .
I've pretty much settled on my 9.3X57 as my mid bore rifle , mostly because it fits me like a glove . The only downside is , as you've pointed out , bullets can be hard to find at times .
 
hoytcanon said:
P.S - wherein lays the "heckle..." the fact that the picture above stands on it's own two hooves, sans moosey medallion???
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This is the best I can do ;)to help fill that void



Oh, and the last occasion Ted was visiting for coffee and a chat with some of the local CGNers, here's one he arranged with me, to take,;) especially for BUM



And, I was thinking, perhaps I should use a Moosey form IKEA for posting photos of my small Husqvarna collection.

 
Johnn Peterson said:
Oh, and the last occasion Ted was visiting for coffee and a chat with some of the local CGNers, here's one he arranged with me, to take,;) especially for BUM

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I think the one posed with moosey here, needs a new buttpad... the one on there is old and cracked and saggy... doesn't look fit to do the job...








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