The New, Non-restricted CZ 958
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Hard to say? Doesn't look like anything haha
Yup, thats a rear sight. You can move it around on the rail by loosening two top screws. Awfully narrow rear dovetail. Guess that's one of the things they're promising to change for production.
I guess they just left the sight block as is....
That's not a 958. Looks like a CSA gun to me.
The 958 has no rear sight block.
Thanks, I realize it's not a 958. I thought maybe since the 958 is an evolution of previous models that perhaps it shared some parts.
I'll have to look at the pictures you posted in the other thread to see how the block looks where the piston rod goes through....
Edit, missed your link to the photo....
It would be nice if the included sight was a flip up peep closer to the eye.
Not sure if you've mentioned it all ready but will standard AR flip up's work on the rail with the stock front sight ( for models with a front sight)?
Too bad the railed top cover could not be made solid and repeatable without the 4 hold down bolts..... Is there much wiggle between the top and bottom when the bolts are loose? Or does the top interlock with the bottom so that the bolts only need to hold the stress in one direction?
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I really hope so, cause that looks cheap and useless.
But the lab tech will deem inspection necessary, regardless of the regs...
As nice as it is to mount optics on the gun over the receiver it would have been nice to offer a cheaper model with the old school receiver cover with the easy takedown pin and iron sights but with the new scalloped lower receiver.
If the only things holding the railed cover in place are the 4 screws(that need to be removed each time for cleaning) I could imagine some issues if the torque is not correctly applied and maintained.
I can only imagine there is some sort of mechanical lock between the upper and lower to help take some of the stress of the small bolts?
If the only things holding the railed cover in place are the 4 screws(that need to be removed each time for cleaning) I could imagine some issues if the torque is not correctly applied and maintained.
I can only imagine there is some sort of mechanical lock between the upper and lower to help take some of the stress of the small bolts?
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Does not look "new" looks like all they did was take the old 858 receivers and machined them a bit, removed the mag release guard that was on the trigger guard, then drilled and tapped it with four screws for a rail system.
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10,000 x $1000 = $10,000,000. Don't hold your breath. Better off talking to a lawyer.
They never broke any law. These receivers were never assembled as FA so they can't be converted if they never had FA parts in them. This was fairly common knowledge when they first came out and I'm sure the RCMP knew what they were looking at when they first approved these. I'm sure that economics was a large factor when it was decided to use these. They were sitting in the factory already with no customers coming to buy them. Wolverine saw an opportunity to bring a new and unique rifle to the Cdn market at a very attractive price. You only have to look at the price difference of the all new offerings to see what I mean. Do you want a $600 VZ or a $900 one?
What has happened since then is now someone is trying to use US type rules to declare it a machine gun. In the U.S. if it can accept FA parts then it's a machine gun, full stop. In Canada, up until this fiasco, it had to have been assembled as an FA or converted back to semi in order to be considered a prohib. This entire "easily converted" argument has no basis in law AFAIK but unfortunately we're at their mercy. It would likely take a class action lawsuit to get this properly resolved but unfortunately it's easier to change the spec in future rifles which leaves the remainder in limbo.
I can think of at least one rifle out there that can easily accept FA parts and it hasn't been declared prohib. It has the hole drilled for the auto sear and everything but it's only marked safe, semi and at no time did it ever have FA parts in it. Of course there aren't 10 000 of them in Canada so no ones political agenda would really be advanced by banning them except perhaps to clear the way for future prohibitions.
What really needs to happen is for the Government, not the tech lab, to better define what constitutes an FA in this country under the criminal code so that the RCMP can't screw with us. Is your VZ capable of firing more than one round with a single pressure exerted on the trigger? No, so it's not illegal under Canadian law, it's illegal because some douche bag has too much power and says so and no one seems willing to sort them out.
As for the 958 it looks nice, scallop over the trigger is a nice touch but the new Dustcover makes no sense to me at all. The thing is screwed on? Maybe offer it as an upgrade/accessory to those that want a scope but all it seems to have done is add a lot of unnecessary weight for those of us that won't mount an optic. What's wrong with the side mounted scope rail? No rear sight? Now I won't even buy it. The original sight isn't the greatest but it looks to be light years ahead of whatever that thing on the rail is supposed to be. Others will like the changes I'm sure but I can't help but feel that the original configuration had a larger marketable audience.
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So far as I know, there has been no actual evidence that CZ converted used receivers (as opposed to NOS bare receivers); only the assertion of the RCMP. I would not blame CZ without knowing the full story and I would hardly call the RCMP a credible source without supporting documentation.
Leg, the rifles in dispute had serial numbers on them that we're removed when the receivers were alegedly repurposed ...... The RCMP is arguing that this means they were made from previously assembled select fire guns.
I agree with you about the screw top being a major weak point on a gun that shoots surplus ammo and needs frequent cleaning. There will also be a fair amount of stress on the top if a heavy optic and rings are used....
I have a feeling you could add a flip up rear sight if you get the model that still has a front sight, but that has yet to be confirmed.
I agree with you about the screw top being a major weak point on a gun that shoots surplus ammo and needs frequent cleaning. There will also be a fair amount of stress on the top if a heavy optic and rings are used....
I have a feeling you could add a flip up rear sight if you get the model that still has a front sight, but that has yet to be confirmed.
That's the first that I'm hearing about them changing the serial numbers, thanks for the update.
Not that that means much. Perhaps they use different blocks of serial numbers depending on the client? While I find it odd that they changed them it doesn't mean they were assembled as FA guns prior to them changing the number.
Not that that means much. Perhaps they use different blocks of serial numbers depending on the client? While I find it odd that they changed them it doesn't mean they were assembled as FA guns prior to them changing the number.
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So is this rifle available yet or not? I was banned for a week so I missed out on the first of the news...
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Still waiting on our friends in the red serge.
To disassemble that 958 - It looks like Allen screws to remove the railed top cover? That'll be a pain in the ass compared to the CZ858's. Will it hold zero removing that cover and screwing it back on? Does it index back correctly to the screw holes with a dowel system or anything?
