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Are mag fed bolt actions that exceed 5 Rd capacity ok to hunt with? I own a ruger gunsite 308 with a 10 rd magazine. Can I have a full mag for deer hunting?

My ohep instructor didn't know. He didn't believe I had a mag fed bolt action with that capacity and told the class of about 40 people that Centre fire rifles = 5 rounds blanket statement, regardless of action.
 
Your instructor is an idiot and is in need of remedial training before he should even be *considered* as qualified to speak on the topic of firearms law.

semi Centerfire: 5 rounds (with few exceptions...ie M1 Garand)
shotgun (while hunting): 3 rounds
bolt/pump/lever: unlimited

Jesus....
 
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Everything is under federal laws. Most semi rifle will be limited to 5rnds unless there is a compatible pistol mag that works with it. You would be fine regardless do to it being a bolt action
Not trying to be negative, but this has come up many times. Most of the time with coyotes being the focus.
Id have to double check Ontario/Fed regs to be 100% sure....
If you do use your 10rnd mags Id suggest bring documents to show its legal to be one the safe side.
Canada : guilty until you prove you are innocent
 
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crazyjackrabbit said:
Everything is under federal laws. Most semi rifle will be limited to 5rnds unless there is a compatible pistol mag that works with it. You would be fine regardless do to it being a bolt action
Not trying to be negative, but this has come up many times. Most of the time with coyotes being the focus.
Id have to double check Ontario/Fed regs to be 100% sure....
If you do use your 10rnd mags Id suggest bring documents to show its legal to be one the safe side.
Canada : guilty until you prove you are innocent
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see? Crap like this is JUST as bad as the OPs instructor. What 'document' says that the factory mag isn't illegal? No such thing. It's legal unless there's a document that says it *isnt*

edit....hey OP, you should ask your instructor how the most common rifle in the bush (Enfield .303's...with *gasp* 10 round mags) hasn't landed 1000's of hunters in jail ;)
 
Sorry, poor choice of wording on my part. Tried typing while 3yr was tearing around me lol. I try to bring whatever I can with me since most officers(not to pick on them) dont know the full law as per firearms.

QUOTE=Wrong Way;11235976]see? Crap like this is JUST as bad as the OPs instructor. What 'document' says that the factory mag isn't illegal? No such thing. It's legal unless there's a document that says it *isnt*

edit....hey OP, you should ask your instructor how the most common rifle in the bush (Enfield .303's...with *gasp* 10 round mags) hasn't landed 1000's of hunters in jail ;)[/QUOTE]
 
Levee action Winchester model 94 holds 7. Theres probably more of those around then 303s these days

crazyjackrabbit said:
Sorry, poor choice of wording on my part. Tried typing while 3yr was tearing around me lol. I try to bring whatever I can with me since most officers(not to pick on them) dont know the full law as per firearms.

QUOTE=Wrong Way;11235976]see? Crap like this is JUST as bad as the OPs instructor. What 'document' says that the factory mag isn't illegal? No such thing. It's legal unless there's a document that says it *isnt*

edit....hey OP, you should ask your instructor how the most common rifle in the bush (Enfield .303's...with *gasp* 10 round mags) hasn't landed 1000's of hunters in jail ;)
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Your instructor is wrong. The great limitation for hunting purposes is the shot gun which is limited to a total of 3 rds. no matter what you are hunting. My Model 70 bolt action in 30-06 holds 6rds. A M-94 lever holds 30-30 holds 7. My 9422 lever holds 11 22mag. There are so many bolt action rifles that hold more than 5 rounds and I never heard of there being a legal issue. I can not quote the specific paragraph of the applicable law but I am confident you are good to go.
 
I find it hard to believe this is an isolated incident.
I won't get into specifics, but the instructor at my PAL class had either been drinking the koolaid; or had been coerced into parroting some well known nanny state distortions.
The instructor at my RPAL class was way cooler, and while following the curriculum laid down by the powers that be, also took great pains to differentiate common sense from the law for us.
This wasn't scripted- it was the product of several Q&A periods. (Stuff I wouldn't have benefited from if I had challenged the exam, but that's another discussion.)

I wonder about the pressure that the CFO may exert on instructors generally.
Becoming an instructor seems like a great way to give back, and the demand for instruction is rising, but it seems like it may be a frustrating process to become/remain certified.
Any instructors (current or former) care to comment?
 
mrgoat said:
Your instructor is wrong. The great limitation for hunting purposes is the shot gun which is limited to a total of 3 rds. no matter what you are hunting. My Model 70 bolt action in 30-06 holds 6rds. A M-94 lever holds 30-30 holds 7. My 9422 lever holds 11 22mag. There are so many bolt action rifles that hold more than 5 rounds and I never heard of there being a legal issue. I can not quote the specific paragraph of the applicable law but I am confident you are good to go.
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not in Alberta.

only limited to 3 when hunting migratory water fowl.
 
However in Alberta you cannot use a semi autothat holds more than 5 rounds for big game hunting As to whether Coyotes are a big Game animal is?? For non-residents it is classed as big game animal and you need a license. For residents you can shoot a coyote anytime on private land with consent of the landowner. The same thing applies to Black bears. So if coyotes are not big game animals perhaps black bears are not either. I'm just stirring the pot.

Neilm
 
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However in Alberta you cannot use a semi autothat holds more than 5 rounds for big game hunting As to whether Coyotes are a big Game animal is?? For non-residents it is classed as big game animal and you need a license. For residents you can shoot a coyote anytime on private land with consent of the landowner. The same thing applies to Black bears. So if coyotes are not big game animals perhaps black bears are not either. I'm just stirring the pot.

Neilm
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I'm fairly certain that bears are classed as Big Game, and fur bearing, but you can shoot them if you are a land owner (or their agent) and the bear is a 'pest' harrassing livestock or bee hives.

coyotes are also fur bearing animals and can also be shot as a pest animal, but again only by landowners or their agent, no licence required. I would have to check on non resident rules for coyotes, might be that non residents need some sort of licence I don't know.
 
woodchopper said:
thats why I was specific as to the location.

I find it interesting that in Ontario you are limited to 3 rounds in a shotgun for all hunting, I can only assume that this makes the job of the COs easier as you cant argue about hunting upland game birds.
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Over the years I have several interesting chats with CO's over this shotgun capacity law when not hunting migratory birds. They never have a logical explanation except it is the law. I spent a lot of years hunting pheasants on Pelee Island and had the magazine capacity of my 20ga pump checked 3 times in one day by the same CO. They just set up road blocks and check everybody for everything and anything. One just learns to smile say nothing and then get on with your day.
Always seem really dumb to me that when hunting deer your shot gun is limited to 3 rounds but your M-94 30-30 can hold seven, or whatever other capacity your rifle has without issue.
 
Wrong Way said:
Your instructor is an idiot and is in need of remedial training before he should even be *considered* as qualified to speak on the topic of firearms law.

semi Centerfire: 5 rounds (with few exceptions...ie M1 Garand)
shotgun (while hunting): 3 rounds
bolt/pump/lever: unlimited

Jesus....
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Your instructor has problem if not aware of these rules and regs.
Your gun is bolt action and you are good to go but those mags are big and bulky especially for carrying around.
Looks like you have no choice since they are making them in 10 only.
 
Jesus Mary and CHRIST!!! doesnt anyone read the f'ing regulations?!?!?!?! from 2014 - 15 Ontario Hunting Regs page 25!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOTE: A broadhead used for hunting big game or wild turkey must be at least 22 mm wide and have at least two sharp cutting edges.
Arrows must be at least 60 cm in length. The length of an arrow is measured from the base of the arrowhead to the bottom of the nock slot.
You must plug a semi-automatic or repeating shotgun so that it will not hold more than a total of three shells in the chamber and magazine combined.
On the Aulneau Peninsula (WMU 7A), from August 15 to December 15, you may not use a rifle of greater muzzle energy than 400 ft-lbs or a shotgun loaded with ball or with shot larger than number 2 lead shot, triple BBB steel shot or double BB bismuth shot.
Under the Criminal Code of Canada you cannot possess any clip/magazine that holds more than five shots for a semi-automatic centrefire non-restricted firearm unless that clip/ magazine has been specifically exempted, pursuant to the Firearms Regulations.
Contact the Canadian Firearms Program at 1-800-731-4000 (or www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf) for information about the requirements for firearm ownership, licensing, storage and transportation.
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edit to add... AND because the .270W question is bound to come up again. Page 79 same regs says:

Firearms
If you are hunting small game in an area where there is an open season for deer, moose, elk, or black bear, you may not possess or use a rifle of greater muzzle energy than 400 foot-pounds or shells loaded with ball or with shot larger than No. 2 shot (non-toxic equivalents include steel shot larger than triple BBB, or bismuth larger than double BB), unless you possess a valid licence to hunt deer, moose, elk or black bear as the case may be. This restriction does not apply south of the French and Mattawa Rivers during an open season for deer that is restricted to the use of bows.
A person hunting small game may not carry or use a rifle of greater calibre than a .275-calibre rifle, except a muzzle-loading gun, in the geographic areas of Brant, Chatham-Kent, Durham, Elgin, Essex, Haldimand, Halton, Hamilton, Huron, Lambton, Middlesex, Niagara, Norfolk, Northumberland, Oxford, Peel, Perth, Toronto, Waterloo, Wellington or York.
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please remember how calibre is measured (TWO ways!!!!) and land to land is how MNR accepts
 
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