SHOT FOR SHOT: "Collateral" Alleyway Gunfight Breakdown

RPIcka said:
Not to ruin everything buy if you watch it again and keep your eye on tweeker number two he hesitates drawing his gun which gives cruise enough time to shoot him
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Nah, he is just an untrained street dirtbag in shock of Cruise's awesome skills...:ar15:
 
so after reading this and watching that break down i had the urge to watch this movie again.
and i was more then a little disappointed to find out that i have it on VHS !!??!!???!!??!!??

of course i have no idea where my VCR is - havnt seen it for years.

so i had to cave in and buy the BlueRay off of ebay for $3 and it arrived today.
and i just got off work today so im gonna go get some taco's and some salsa and have me a guy afternoon in front of the plasma!
 
Play it frame for frame and see where Cruise's pistol is located in his holster - it isn't seated, but halfway out.
An average gun guy can get his times with good hits from proper retention.
However, kudos to him as a Hollywood actor to not pass it on to a stunt double.
 
beltfed said:
An average gun guy can get his times with good hits from proper retention.
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"I practiced this 40 times on the range and did it once in under two seconds", is not the same thing as being able to do it cold, under stress. The "average" gun guy simply doesn't practice it enough to do it that fast cold. Not even close. Heck, what "average" gun guy even practices concealed carry draws on a regular basis? The actual % that does this is so small it's laughable.

More movie fantasy.
 
Based on personal observation the "average" Canadian shooter is lucky to get his firearm loaded and holstered without help. He owns a great combat gun, but shoots it from behind a bench, single action only.
 
Clobbersauras said:
"I practiced this 40 times on the range and did it once in under two seconds", is not the same thing as being able to do it cold, under stress. The "average" gun guy simply doesn't practice it enough to do it that fast cold. Not even close. Heck, what "average" gun guy even practices concealed carry draws on a regular basis? The actual % that does this is so small it's laughable. More movie fantasy.
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Its a pretty common practise drill in IDPA.
 
beltfed said:
Play it frame for frame and see where Cruise's pistol is located in his holster - it isn't seated, but halfway out.
An average gun guy can get his times with good hits from proper retention.
However, kudos to him as a Hollywood actor to not pass it on to a stunt double.
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If you were about to engage 2 meth-heads with pistols in their hands in an alley 30 seconds after an armed robbery it would be prudent to be unbuttoned first.

This is the same guy that will discharge dozens of rounds on a crowded dance floor not certain 'retention' and 'safety' are priority one lol!

Good catch I never noticed..
 
Clobbersauras said:
"I practiced this 40 times on the range and did it once in under two seconds", is not the same thing as being able to do it cold, under stress. The "average" gun guy simply doesn't practice it enough to do it that fast cold. Not even close. Heck, what "average" gun guy even practices concealed carry draws on a regular basis? The actual % that does this is so small it's laughable.

More movie fantasy.
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Ok, maybe I should have clarified my statement.
The 'average gun guy' who screws around with retention and shoots, drills and practices on a semi-weekly basis with like minded folks. (Not the guy who shoots occasionally from behind the bench.) I think you know the type I'm referring to.
Anyhow, I'm saying one doesn't have to be the top shot in their circle to get this done.

You can bet Cruise didn't shoot it cold and he didn't clean 2 seconds either. Hell, he didn't even have to pull for Christ sake.

While it does require proficiency and familiarity of equipment, it certainly doesn't take 40 tries to master. And yes, assuming proficiency with gear, you can do this cold, and clean it with exceptional times. I and a lot of others around have done it in practice sessions and IDPA matches, so I'm not just dreaming this sh!t up.
 
Scorpian said:
I couldn't make out the holster or that detail, I was watching in slow mo and it was too blurry,
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I don't think you can get the detail on you tube - you need the DVD and advance frame for frame. Look at the position of the trigger guard. That should be buried in his leather.

Still an awesome scene - Michael Mann does some of, if not the most realistic stuff going.
 
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^^ We're talking about the speeds involved as a drill, which is the whole point of LAV's video.

beltfed said:
While it does require proficiency and familiarity of equipment, it certainly doesn't take 40 tries to master. And yes, assuming proficiency with gear, you can do this cold, and clean it with exceptional times. I and a lot of others around have done it in practice sessions and IDPA matches, so I'm not just dreaming this sh!t up.
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Let's make sure we are talking the same language here. "Cold", to me, means you haven't shot all day, have just put your gear on and run the drill.

Then I offer two scenarios:

1) Let's pretend you are Bob Vogel and you can pull of a 0.5 draw from concealment, then it takes 0.2 to make your second shot, 0.3 to bring your hands together, present to the second target and make your third shot, and then 0.2 splits for the other two shots. That puts you at 1.4 (.5+.2+.3+.2+.2) for the total drill.

2) Let's pretend you aren't Bob Vogel, but a star in your local IDPA matches and it goes 0.7 for your draw, 0.2 for your second shot, 0.4 for your transition and 0.2 for your next two shots. That's 1.7 sec (.7+.2+.4+.2+.2).

Then let's talk about doing this thing cold.

Even "advanced" IDPA shooters would have trouble pulling off this drill cold. Average IDPA shooters would find completing this drill in under two seconds very, very difficult.
 
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