Tough bush gun in .308 ... M305 vs Ruger Gunsite Scout vs T3 Battue?

The Kurgan said:
Like this? :)

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Who makes that mount? Assuming that it's aluminum and doesn't weigh 2 pounds, it looks like the best solution to my search for a lightweight QD set-up for Tikkas.

How well does it return to zero?
 
That is a MaSi QD mount, and yes, it's the best QD mount I've ever used. Period. It comes directly from a small company in Finland. A bit of a pain in the a$$ to wire the funds, but they are great people, a small company, and they make a quality product. (yes, it holds zero and made of aluminum).
 
cam1936 said:
USGI M14 rear sights are more than capable of 300m shots. In fact I figure they are the best iron sights known to man. Fit a NM aperture and a NM front sight and they will go further than the rifle and shooter I'm sure.
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Do they generally use these sights for hunting game? I've never used them, thus the question.

Most of my experience are with Lyman or Williams rec sights. How are they different?
 
rhino62 said:
If you want to a 305 I would suggest an 18.5" barrel length one, since these are a lot less cumbersome than the 22" barreled ones. The SOCOM 18 with the reversible flash hider are the shortest length type 305's and I have been quite satisfied with the 305's that I have had, more so than an M1A I had due to its overall length. In the case of the Ruger Scout rifle I found it quite heavy and if you want to mount a conventional scope you either have to remove the rear sight or get a full length XS sight rail rail if you still want to have backup iron sights with a conventional scope. When I had Scout rifle I also tried using it with American Defense Cantilevered scope mount with 2" cantilever and an intermediate length eye relief scope, however I found it to heavy. I have tried hunting with both a Ruger Frontier and the Ruger Scout with a long eye relief scopes and did not find it suited my purpose. I currently have a Tikka Battue and I really like the rifle, since it is easy to mount a conventional scope and still be able to use the iron sights if you want to. The iron sights on the Battue are also very good and the Tkka Battue is also considerably less expensive and lighter than the Ruger Scout and I believe a more accurate rifle from my limited experience, however since I live in a remote area I tend to carry a rifle whenever I walk my property, rather than shoot at a rifle range.
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The only issue I found with the SOCOM 18 is that the irons are right out of 'er. the rear sight is gradiated for a regular, flash-hider front sight post on 22" barrel, not a gas block sight. I forget exactly, but I had to dial in like 400m just to hit at 100m. The point of impact was off by a matter of FEET, not inches, at 100m. See this thread for details, it's a common problem.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1050340-socom18-POI-Question
 
caramel said:
I would compare the Steyr stuff more to a Beemer, this target showned up here is with cheap Corelockts ammo, good ammo will close that group to .5 MOA easy... JP.
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I have a CZ 550 that won't shoot good with anything that's Premium. Hornady is 2", Federal Premium and Federal Fusion is 1.5". However, Good old Winchester SuperX in the grey and white boxes shoot an inch or better every single time. I recently started handloading for the rifle. I've learned the rifle likes slow velocity loads shooting .5 MOA with 43gr of IMR 4064. It always shoots best at the base load and never anything else up the scale. I also copied the Winchester SuperX seating depth since my 550 loved that stuff to begin with. From that experience alone, I never see premium ammunition as premium. Premium is the stuff you load yourself. Everything else is just factory.
 
The irons on the battue are amazing. Throw a 5 round clip in it and it would be the best "scout rifle" on the market. The synthetic version is a little too light imo.
 
what does a stainless battue run cost wise?
and what is the base weight? I'd want it in walnut or a differnet composite stock than what's been shown here but "if" it's that much better than a .308 scout I might be inclined to have a look depending on price point.
 
They don't come in stainless, as far as I know. Based on your "want", buy a laminate stainless T3, have the barrel cut-down, and add Battue sights. Cheaper to buy the blued Battue and have it coated if you want extra rust protection. Just my opinion, but the factory stocks are very good! I like them better than the Finnlight stocks.
 
The only gun the OP suggested that comes in stainless is the Ruger.
In my bush stainless is my preference.
However I don't have one nor would I suggest one but of the three...
 
How is the M305 even in this race? It's heavy, noisy, poorly balanced, ergonomically-####e and mediocre in the accuracy department. Then add that any options to mount a scope came along as an afterthought and where does that leave us? The second least successful US service rifle in history (the Krag did worse despite being a better rifle) somehow co-opeted into a discussion about good rifles for the bush? The only positive about the M305 is that it traces its genetics to the M1, another crappy hunting rifle but at least having a solid pedigree in the making things dead department.

So back to the question at hand...a tough bush rifle. I wouldn't hesitate to use a Ruger or a short M70. A Zastava would also do nicely though I'd prefer a shorter barrel if I had to make a living crawling through serious shintangle. To me a push feed action will never inspire me to consider it as the ultimate in rugged. Nothing wrong with them but I prefer CRF.
 
The T3 Battue looks nice, I really like the iron sights it has but looking at it you would have to be careful in picking a scope to fit because of the way the rear sight sits on that rifle.
 
Agreed, the only reason the M305 made the list is the cheapest and the nostalgic like if the iron sights. I also like the idea of a semi for quick follow up shots of need be.

I'm leaning strongly towards some form of Tikka simply because I'm not a huge fan of the Ruger action.

To me a stainless rifle isn't a must. If you take care of your rifle you shouldn't need to worry too much about rust. If I use a rifle to the point that I regret not having stainless, it'll just be an excuse to get the Krylon out and give a personal touch to the rifle.

Now to decide between the CTR and the Battue.
 
I've got a Winchester M70 carbine in 308 I was actually just thinking about selling. It's light and handy, no laminate stock or ss though. Not sure how likely finding one with laminate and ss is either.
 
My 7600 gets me 4" groups or less at 300yds with 165gn hotcores, can do better with different ammo but I like them. Fast on target and follow up shots if needed, will reach out well enough. I haven't read all the posts but for hunting it's hard to beat. Not a bench gun for sure but will fill freezers. I own plenty of bolts in all flavors and a couple of semi's but when I head to the bush looking for deer...it's the 7600, .308. I put that $hit on everything!
 
Tikka223 said:
Agreed, the only reason the M305 made the list is the cheapest and the nostalgic like if the iron sights. I also like the idea of a semi for quick follow up shots of need be.

I'm leaning strongly towards some form of Tikka simply because I'm not a huge fan of the Ruger action.

To me a stainless rifle isn't a must. If you take care of your rifle you shouldn't need to worry too much about rust. If I use a rifle to the point that I regret not having stainless, it'll just be an excuse to get the Krylon out and give a personal touch to the rifle.

Now to decide between the CTR and the Battue.
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ctr is available in stainless.
 
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