New lightweight mountain rifle, with a heavy side of Grizz. Debate starter.

BigUglyMan said:
Well since this has essentially been settled (except for the guys that haven't been following along and simply posted after partially reading the first post), what are the other specs for the build? I know you want to whittle a stock, but wouldn't an ultralight like a Wildcat make a better handle? After all, it's about ounces or you wouldn't have spent the money on the Ti-Mauser. Besides, you're intent on boring a slightly larger hole in the bore just to be different and save weight...this is the logical extension!
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Guilty as charged, given the new fun in the rain it's become a synthetic. Having Stuart get an ultralight custom drop box synthetic made and he's going to finish the rifle instead of me now as I'm not doing wood. Will post a pic of the stock here shortly, it's a nice setup.
 
I'm liking Ardent's cartridge choice even more now = I just did some research on the 9.5X57 and came up with the following info/pic.

Just for comparison.

Left to right:
35 REM, 358 WIN, 35 JDJ, 35 Whelen, 9.3x57, 375 JDJ & 9.5x57 MS.

Look close at the 375 JDJ & the 9.5x57 MS.

In Europe the 375 JDJ would be called the 9.5x57R/Rimmed (dimensions are the same).

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Here's more .375 wildcats for reference. What about the .375-284? Any capacity increase over the x57?

 
A 250gr bullet in the 358 Win is a tough little package for heavy bone, I personally
use the 200 gr Hornady in my 358 and 350 RM but have never taken a bear with
either of them, I have taken a bunch of Whitetails and they are devastating for a 200 grainer.
I shot a 7x57 in a M70 and took some caribou with it, it is a great round but for heavier game
give me the 250 grainers in a 358 even though the 175 7mm has better SD. Weight matters in my opinion.

Now, It must be said that if I was concerned about Grizz I would not handcuff myself with a medium length action
but instead use one of my long actions and choose the caliber accordingly. For light weight gun I would use my
Dakota 97 in 300 Dakota or my 330 Dakota, firing 200gr & 250 Accubonds and never look back.
BB
 
Ardent said:
I imagine its performance is likely rather impressive for its size.
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I agree with that 100%.

Other than deer I have only shot one 6' black bear @ appr 90 yards with my 375JDJ I was shooting the 21" Contender barrel combo load was 260gr Accubonds @ 2300fps.

I was hunting grizzly but only took the black bear on the trip.

Bear dropped instantly at the shot I saw the bullet kick up dirt on the hill behind it after a few seconds it started to get up so I hit it again it stayed down for good then.

Now that I know the case you're thinking of and what you're trying to accomplish I feel you are definitely on the right track for a fun/light/hard smacking combo.

FYI with the Contender frames I have to stay below 40,000 psi so the .473 BC 260 Accubond is the only bullet that gives me enough velocity to have reliable expansion out to 300 yards.
 
bcsteve said:
Here's more .375 wildcats for reference. What about the .375-284? Any capacity increase over the x57?

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I had a .375-308 and after loading for it and shooting it for a couple years, I came to the personal conclusion that the .308 case max's out for peak performance at .358"... I really like my .358's and they can really shoot with 200 grain SP's and 225 Part's (when I need a little extra)... having said that, it looks like the X57 case has the extra capacity needed to drive .375" bullets in the sweet spot... should be a comfortable and potent package.
 
You've got me going now Ardent , maybe we'll go halfsies on a reamer . You started it , so you get first use lol . My 9.3X57 is a great little rig , but the 9.5 has a lot better bullet selection . Damn , I knew this thread was going to get expensive . Now I need another 98 action , Rembo's getting the one I've got . He's putting a 257 Roberts together for me , another classic , but I digress . Thanks for the motivation , I understand exactly what you're trying to do............ and now I want one too .
 
Ardent,

I had a lovely "little" Mannlicher Schoenauer takedown in 9.5X57 years ago. It was a dainty thing that came with a 7X57 barrel as well. Both barrels were quite accurate. The 9.5 was quite devastating with 270 gr RN bullets and a stomach full of BallC2. :)

In a moment of weakness, I sold it to Paul Rogan, the publisher of Canadian Access to Firearms. He may still have it.

Ted
 
Why not? said:
Ardent,

I had a lovely "little" Mannlicher Schoenauer takedown in 9.5X57 years ago. It was a dainty thing that came with a 7X57 barrel as well. Both barrels were quite accurate. The 9.5 was quite devastating with 270 gr RN bullets and a stomach full of BallC2. :)

In a moment of weakness, I sold it to Paul Rogan, the publisher of Canadian Access to Firearms. He may still have it.

Ted
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Wow , I would love to have a rifle like that . What sort of accuracy did you get out of it ?
 
Why not? said:
Ardent,

I had a lovely "little" Mannlicher Schoenauer takedown in 9.5X57 years ago. It was a dainty thing that came with a 7X57 barrel as well. Both barrels were quite accurate. The 9.5 was quite devastating with 270 gr RN bullets and a stomach full of BallC2. :)

In a moment of weakness, I sold it to Paul Rogan, the publisher of Canadian Access to Firearms. He may still have it.

Ted
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You're a madman Ted. You can't sell something that quirky!
 
Why not? said:
Ardent,

I had a lovely "little" Mannlicher Schoenauer takedown in 9.5X57 years ago. It was a dainty thing that came with a 7X57 barrel as well. Both barrels were quite accurate. The 9.5 was quite devastating with 270 gr RN bullets and a stomach full of BallC2. :)

In a moment of weakness, I sold it to Paul Rogan, the publisher of Canadian Access to Firearms. He may still have it.

Ted
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there is only one way to know ....

yes i third that i want to see a picture of that duo ...
 
Why not? said:
Ardent,

I had a lovely "little" Mannlicher Schoenauer takedown in 9.5X57 years ago. It was a dainty thing that came with a 7X57 barrel as well. Both barrels were quite accurate. The 9.5 was quite devastating with 270 gr RN bullets and a stomach full of BallC2. :)

In a moment of weakness, I sold it to Paul Rogan, the publisher of Canadian Access to Firearms. He may still have it.

Ted
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WOW, you sold a wonderful rifle , got any pictures. I imagine he got you drunk and loaned you his wife to start the deal?
 
The 9.5x57mm Mannlicher-Schönauer (MS) cartridge was adopted for the M-1910 MS rifle and carbine in 1910.[2] (Note: The word Schoenauer is often spelled Schönauer with an “umlaut” over the “o”). The 9.5x57mm MS is also known as the 9.5x56mm MS, the 9.5x56.7mm MS, and the .375 Rimless Nitro Express (RNE) x 2¼ (primarily in England). The cartridge may have been created by Westley-Richards and Eley in 1908 (rather than by the Oestereichischer Waffenfabrik-Gessellschaft, Steyr (OWS) (Austrian Arms Manufacturer-Association, Steyr)), but no production rifles in this caliber have been found prior to the M-1910. This development by or on behalf of Steyr was probably an answer to the development by the noted British gunmaking firm of Holland & Holland in 1905 of their .400/.375 Rimless Belted Nitro Express, designed for their specially modified Mannlicher-Schoenauer rifle (they imported the actions from Austria, but built the rifles in house


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9.5×57mm_Mannlicher-Schönauer
 
buckbrush said:
WOW, you sold a wonderful rifle , got any pictures. I imagine he got you drunk and loaned you his wife to start the deal?
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Probably not. Ted's just that kind of guy which is probably why he is one of the most respected guys on the board.

I wonder how many guys have a rifle of Ted's? Should start a poll.
 
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