Opinion on New Entry level O/U

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Hello,

was looking for some input on the purchase of a new O/U without breaking the bank. I'm only going to be using the gun once a week to do some recreational trap/skeet shooting. I currently have been using my 870 and I was looking for something more efficient when shooting clays.

shotguns I was looking at are the :

Stoeger Condor 12 ga, 3" 28" @ 549.00 cdn

BAIKAL MP-27M, 12GA 3” 28” @ 549.00 cdn

Mossberg Silver Reserve II 12ga 3" 28" @ 649.00 cdn

If anyone has some suggestions , or even a used O/U willing to sell in and around that price range please feel free to help out.

Thank you !
 
For trap I would stick to your 870. I would also stay away from the above mentioned shotguns if you plan is to do a lot of shooting. Double the prices above and look on the EE for a good used "B" gun. If your budget is pretty firm, maybe look into a used Remington 1100 for skeet and sporting clays where you need that quick follow up shot on pairs. That being said, I shoot with a lot of guys that shoot pump guns for skeet and they do quite well.
 
I'd stick with your pump for skeet over the choices listed. Lots of guys use pumps and a few can really shoot. Like learning to drive with a 5 speed, if you learn and become proficient with a pump, everything else becomes easy.
It made me the shooter I am today.

Just my 2cents

When your ready for an O/U, go get a lightly used B gun and go from there ($1500-2000)
 
Stay away from all the guns you mentioned.
If you are unaware of the "B" gun reference, do a little home work on the guns you mentioned.
Only a rich man can afford cheap anything.
 
I wouldn't pick any of your choices for trap or skeet. I would either double your budget, and look for a decent used Browning or Beretta o/u, or I would purchase a Winchester SX-3 semi auto which will run around $1000.
 
I bought a Condor Competition. Shoots everywhere I aim it. Only problem is the stock cracked with less then 500 shots. Glued it twice then sent ot warranty. For the last 2 months I've been back to shooting my old friend the 870. I guess I got what I paid for...
 
I agree with the previous posters, but let me add another reason for the original poster to do so: believe it or not, getting a solid better gun is cheaper than buying a cheap gun. Get a solid deal on a good used Beretta or Browning (i.e., do your marketplace homework), and it will: a) give you better fun for your shooting dollar; b) be more likely to be a gun you might want to shoot for years; C) bring you back 80% of your buying price if you ever do sell it. But if you instead buy any of those other cheaper ones, and they will not only tend make your shooting experience less fun, you'll get less life from the gun and a much lesser resale price (if you can resell it at all), and this ultimately means you'll literally be out of pocket more $$$ over the long run with the cheaper gun.

I've given this advice before, and sometimes people say "But I just can't afford $1500 for a gun." If so, I agree with the other posters that a solid champ like an old Remington 1100 is better than brand new turkey -- but I'm going to add another, unpleasant observation: if you can't afford $1500 for a gun, can you really afford our beloved sport? These days, the cost of the gun is peanuts compared to the cost of keeping it fed with lead and clay, even if you're only going to shoot it once a week. Hope this helps.
 
Of the 3 choices you list, assuming it fits, the Baikal is the better made of the three and the only one of the 3 three that will live any length of time on a skeet field. Baikal builds a tough gun, fit and finish tends to be variable, they tend to be overweight and swing like a 2x4, but they will will digest thousands of rounds without issue. The Silver Reserve II is far better built than it's predecesor but still nowhere as well made as other turkish models from CZ or Akkar for instance. Don't get me started on Stoeger.
 
The Baikal is an awesome shotgun for the money, whatever you pick you should shoulder it many times to make sure it naturally comes up to your point of aim.
 
Probably obvious advice, but if you're planning on trying different clay sports, or using it for anything other than clays, get one with changeable chokes, rather than getting locked in to one type. Browning Citoris (as mentioned) are great, as are Cynergy. There are also lighter weight shotguns for upland bird hunting, but if you're blasting away at clays all day, that could be hard on the shoulder. Heavier guns with longer barrels ( 28"+) are popular, and help you track and follow through your shots. You can reduce shoulder whomp and muzzle jump with ported barrels.
 
Probably obvious advice, but if you're planning on trying different clay sports, or using it for anything other than clays, get one with changeable chokes, rather than getting locked in to one type. Browning Citoris (as mentioned) are great, as are Cynergy. There are also lighter weight shotguns for upland bird hunting, but if you're blasting away at clays all day, that could be hard on the shoulder. Heavier guns with longer barrels ( 28"+) are popular, and help you track and follow through your shots. You can reduce shoulder whomp and muzzle jump with ported barrels.

Which aren't cheap,, If you're going to spend money on ported bbls, you'll have enough money for a good used gun. buy something decent the first time.
 
Number one criteria is how the gun fits YOU ! Put it up with your eyes closed then open eyes and see where the bead is.
 
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