Opinion on New Entry level O/U

Canadian eh! said:
Does anyone have any feedback on the new Turkish Churchill models that are coming in? They look awfully good at the 1000 price point.
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I sold mine this spring, Churchill 206 Silver Hunter, it had at the time around 3500 rounds through it, it showed no signs of wear anywhere on it and was still as stiff as the day I bought it. Highly recommend the gun as an entry level O/U. Sold it because I prefer to shoot a slide action and their was a nice Winchester 12 as part of the deal.
 
Buy once, cry (over the money) once. At least you are not crying over a gun that doesn't work properly.
Buy a Browning or Beretta (or other in that quality range), whichever fits you best. Buy used if your budget is limited.
You will have a lifetime gun.
Most anyone who buys a cheap gun first, and is at all serious about shooting shotgun, buys a quality gun eventually.
If you buy a quality gun first you will hardly remember the price in a year.
 
Novice question. I'm in the same boat looking for an all round clays shotgun. Lots of good info. Have a new CZ Redhead Deluxe that doesn't fit me but a nice shotgun. Fits my pal perfect though. Anywho, I look at some other B O/Us and see they have very tight lockups which is good, right? However when using them on a regular basis I think I would get tired of the heavy opening and closing while loading and unloading. Do they eventually loosen up. I'm not a weakling but do find that part annoying. Thinking auto but love the looks of the O/Us. How acceptable are autos for clays these days. I do seem to shoot them better than O/Us.
 
Mine loosened up after a few hundred rounds. Autos are perfectly acceptable for clays! Less recoil as well which is nice when youre shooting very high volumes. Only real downside to me is hitting the guy next to me with the ejected shells lol
 
Nothing wrong with an auto and if you shoot them better then that's what to stick with. As for the B guns loosening up yes with extended use they will get easier to open but it will be 10's or even as much as 100's of thousands of rounds to get to that point if they are properly lubricated and maintained. They should always offer a bit of resistance. When the resistance is gone it's time for a thorough overhaul generally.
 
SUPER TENERE said:
Novice question. I'm in the same boat looking for an all round clays shotgun. Lots of good info. Have a new CZ Redhead Deluxe that doesn't fit me but a nice shotgun. Fits my pal perfect though. Anywho, I look at some other B O/Us and see they have very tight lockups which is good, right? However when using them on a regular basis I think I would get tired of the heavy opening and closing while loading and unloading. Do they eventually loosen up. I'm not a weakling but do find that part annoying. Thinking auto but love the looks of the O/Us. How acceptable are autos for clays these days. I do seem to shoot them better than O/Us.
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The action on a quality o/u will loosen up with use. I find that after a few thousand rounds, my Brownings open and close noticeably easier. Just properly lube them, and let them break in naturally, and don't do anything stupid like one person did, where he used lapping compound to help loosen up the action quicker. Yes it loosened up quicker, but the action became sloppy over the course of a few years.

As for semi autos, yes they work fine for clays, it looked like rain yesterday, so I took my SX-3 goose gun out, and with a LM choke my first round of skeet was clean. The targets sure smoke with a tighter choked 12 gauge , compared to my 28 gauge.
 
I started trap shooting about 5 years ago with an 870 Wingmaster at the local club. After shooting for a couple years and getting better, I wanted to upgrade. I bought a Beretta A400 Xplor which I intended to use for both hunting and trap shooting. Shot that gun for awhile and slowly realized I wanted a good quality trap gun for the amount I was shooting. I did lot's of research and saving and eventually came across a used Browning Citori XT that a fellow club member was selling. He had bought it a couple years ago and was moving to a 725 so he wanted to sell the XT. I bought it and couldn't be happier.

Gun fit is likely to most important thing when purchasing a gun you're going to shoot 200 rounds per week out of. My shooting instantly got better once I bought the XT. Just this past weekend I ran 197x200 singles at the local ATA shoot.

Seriously though, if you pick up a Citori and one of the shotguns you mentioned. You will instantly see the difference in quality. This is why I don't even want to pick up any of the members Caesar's, Krieghoff's or Perazzi's at my club... because then I know I would want one too bad.
 
Clocked92 said:
I started trap shooting about 5 years ago with an 870 Wingmaster at the local club. After shooting for a couple years and getting better, I wanted to upgrade. I bought a Beretta A400 Xplor which I intended to use for both hunting and trap shooting. Shot that gun for awhile and slowly realized I wanted a good quality trap gun for the amount I was shooting. I did lot's of research and saving and eventually came across a used Browning Citori XT that a fellow club member was selling. He had bought it a couple years ago and was moving to a 725 so he wanted to sell the XT. I bought it and couldn't be happier.

Gun fit is likely to most important thing when purchasing a gun you're going to shoot 200 rounds per week out of. My shooting instantly got better once I bought the XT. Just this past weekend I ran 197x200 singles at the local ATA shoot.

Seriously though, if you pick up a Citori and one of the shotguns you mentioned. You will instantly see the difference in quality. This is why I don't even want to pick up any of the members Caesar's, Krieghoff's or Perazzi's at my club... because then I know I would want one too bad.
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I shoot various Citori shotguns, and I have shot Krieghoff and CG shotguns, and although I could afford one, I had no desire to purchase one. I shoot my Citori shotguns better than I shoot any other shotgun that I have tried, and they have been trouble free, so I am perfectly content with shooting them.
 
Clocked92 said:
I started trap shooting about 5 years ago with an 870 Wingmaster at the local club. After shooting for a couple years and getting better, I wanted to upgrade. I bought a Beretta A400 Xplor which I intended to use for both hunting and trap shooting. Shot that gun for awhile and slowly realized I wanted a good quality trap gun for the amount I was shooting. I did lot's of research and saving and eventually came across a used Browning Citori XT that a fellow club member was selling. He had bought it a couple years ago and was moving to a 725 so he wanted to sell the XT. I bought it and couldn't be happier.

Gun fit is likely to most important thing when purchasing a gun you're going to shoot 200 rounds per week out of. My shooting instantly got better once I bought the XT. Just this past weekend I ran 197x200 singles at the local ATA shoot.

Seriously though, if you pick up a Citori and one of the shotguns you mentioned. You will instantly see the difference in quality. This is why I don't even want to pick up any of the members Caesar's, Krieghoff's or Perazzi's at my club... because then I know I would want one too bad.
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I just purchased my first Perazzi. An older TM1 single shot 34" with factory upgraded turkish walnut adjustable comb stock. The fellow I bought it from handed it to me at an ATA shoot to try out, a quick adjust of the stock and out I went on the field for a 100 singles event. Shot a 23/25/23/23 for 94/100. Not stellar but a-ok for never having shot the gun and or patterning it to see where it impacts. Cost me less than a used Citori. Bought it as an interim gun until my new unsingle combo Rizzini arrives.
 
SUPER TENERE said:
Novice question. I'm in the same boat looking for an all round clays shotgun. Lots of good info. Have a new CZ Redhead Deluxe that doesn't fit me but a nice shotgun. Fits my pal perfect though. Anywho, I look at some other B O/Us and see they have very tight lockups which is good, right? However when using them on a regular basis I think I would get tired of the heavy opening and closing while loading and unloading. Do they eventually loosen up. I'm not a weakling but do find that part annoying. Thinking auto but love the looks of the O/Us. How acceptable are autos for clays these days. I do seem to shoot them better than O/Us.
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At the $1000 mark, you get more quality in a new semi than you will a new O/U. Beretta A-300, 390, 400 series, Remington 1100 & V-3, and Winchester SX/Browning Silver are all good choices. Once upon a time it was as common to see a Remington 1100 & Winchester Model 12 as it was to see an O/U. The 1100 is still common enough on the line.
 
bdft said:
Shoot 10,000 rounds out of that Baikal and call us back.
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I have a Baikal IJ-25 O/U single trigger set which was made at the late 70s. It's the model soviet olympic team used. Still works fine and shoots great after tens of thousand of rounds and also turns an eye at the field. There are newer IZH IJ-27 single trigger models available at Canadian market for under 600$, perhaps not the same gun, but comparable quality. Don't underestimate russian weapons, Mosins will be still with us event 100 years from now.
 
Alan from Langley guns was fan of the Baikal. A solid action with need of stock work but he thought it was OK. considering he shot for Scotland at a couple of Olympics and over 1,000,000 rounds in his life I think that's a pretty good endorsement.
 
MIBagentQ said:
I was new to the sport, I bought a brand new baikal over/under for $399 and honestly, every time I pull the trigger it goes bang. Personally I don't concern myself too much with the elitists' "you gotta pay to play" attitude. You are crudely sending a bunch of small lead balls down a smooth barrel... it's not a complicated technology and I can't see how you have to spend a minimum of $1500 to do that. The break action is also super simple with very few moving parts so very few things not work right (unlike a semiauto/pump/lever etc).

My shotgun has double triggers, I haven't used it to shoot skeet yet and I can imagine it being a bit of a hindrance versus a single trigger, but for sporting clays and for hunting , I like the ability to instantly select which barrel to shoot out of (I run IC choke in one and M choke in the other).
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No disrespect, but if you stick with clay games you'll be back here in a year talking about how great your browning/beretta is.
 
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