Worst trigger ever?

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Did my second qualification shoot at Grange Firearms club yesterday. Had to do a 9mm Sako and .40 Glock 17 with "police" trigger. I've shot a few dillfferent pistols up to now, including an M&P40 and other Glocks, and I've never felt as bad a trigger as that. It was so strong a pull its a wonder I was on the target at all! How the police can actually hit anything with it is amazing. The travel back to the break point was huge too.

By the second mag my finger was so beat up I actually needed to uses both trigger fingers to pull the thing. It didn't help that the first of the two Glocks was hitting the primers light and I had a couple of rounds not fire even though there ws a definite strike on the primer. Nor do my short stubby fingers seem to get much mechanical advantage compared to my shooting partner's long ones, even with her long nails. So much for my masculine superiority! She shoots better groups than me too.

At least we had perfect scores and only 1 more shoot to become full members.
 
sure enough the NY trigger 1 or 2 is a trigger thought for LEA use. the ''regular''' trigger on glock pistols isn't so bad ranging from 8lbs to 5.5 in the best cases, nothing a 10 $ spring kit can't fix.

the worst i've ever shot were made by HK ; namely the LEM and P 2000 models are awful ,at least the ones i've shot ; both models displayed such long travel and weight break measured at 10lbs for the 2000 , and something similar for the LEM model. any glock trigger in stock trim can be considered smooth and mellow compared to these , trust me.
 
I have never understood these "qualification" shoots that seem to be the norm in Ont/que.

I signed up to my range, got the gate code and went shooting...
 
sigtactical said:
sure enough the NY trigger 1 or 2 is a trigger thought for LEA use. the ''regular''' trigger on glock pistols isn't so bad ranging from 8lbs to 5.5 in the best cases, nothing a 10 $ spring kit can't fix.

the worst i've ever shot were made by HK ; namely the LEM and P 2000 models are awful ,at least the ones i've shot ; both models displayed such long travel and weight break measured at 10lbs for the 2000 , and something similar for the LEM model. any glock trigger in stock trim can be considered smooth and mellow compared to these , trust me.
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Dont you remember how bad my G22 was before you change the springs and connector kit... JP.
 
bollox said:
I have never understood these "qualification" shoots that seem to be the norm in Ont/que.

I signed up to my range, got the gate code and went shooting...
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As they explained to us, they have to make a legal declaration to the CFO that we're safe to shoot. They're protecting themselves from liability, and their operating license, which is understandable. I'm not sure if the "Common Sense Firearm" act changes anything. After taking the course, we have to demonstrate that we have the basic safety skills. However, you can challenge the third shoot and skip the first two, which requires a perfect score and an accuracy test. Pretty easy if you're experienced, but we're newbies, so the practise didn't hurt.
 
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bollox said:
I have never understood these "qualification" shoots that seem to be the norm in Ont/que.

I signed up to my range, got the gate code and went shooting...
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The CFO in Ontario has no tolerance. They send their agents out unannounced and look for sloppy or careless rule sticking.
Most club prez's are nervous or the CFO shuts the club down. They are making sure you can handle a gun within strict CFO and club rules.

I've seen some postings on the club wall where an agent showed up and saw some members shooting at hard targets not within CFO specs.
 
S&W SD9 VE has the worst trigger I've ever used... very long and stiff, tons of creep, sloppy, breaks like a soggy twig. Sold the pistol right quick.

I've used a few LE triggers and I don't like them, but the SD9 is still the worst I've used. A trigger job is mandatory if you buy that gun... you get what you pay for I guess.
 
Try a Dominion Arms P762 :rolleyes: The trigger is literally pointing so far forward in DA mode you can't fit your finger between the trigger and the front of the trigger guard.
 
bollox said:
I have never understood these "qualification" shoots that seem to be the norm in Ont/que.

I signed up to my range, got the gate code and went shooting...
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Well I think its pretty good that if you cant hit a regular piece of paper at 5 yards, that you need more practice before they let you shoot holes in their floor and ceiling....I did really well as a new shooter at my range test, but I've also seen people do really badly, I did a basic hand gun course also, and a lady there wanted to take the holster course the next day. She failed the basic hand gun course, she could barely hit the paper at all at 5 yards, but yet she though she was ready to holster....

I think its a good thing, I dont want to be standing besides someone at a range that doesnt have control over their handgun. And its not just about hitting paper, its handling and proving the gun safe. Lots of people dont do any of that well and need to get more practice before they should be alowed to shoot on their own with other people around IMO
 
I might catch poop for saying this ...but the worst trigger in my arsenal is DA on my Shadowline. It has an eternity for take up. then the break is mushy at best. It is better SA, and that's why I never shoot it DA.

And I have to disagree on the SKS comment. The three I own are pretty good.
 
I don't think I have any guns with Bad triggers. My Pardini and my CZ TS have very very good triggers. The double action on my Sig 226 is very heavy but I can still shoot it accurately, you just have to be very deliberate with trigger control. I have also shot a Police 226 which is double action only again very heavy but still a 3" group at 10 yards which is still Minute of Bad Guy with room to spare so overall not bad.
 
I hated the trigger on the HK45 so much that I sold the gun without shooting it. Long, and stacky and heavy enough that I could feel the plastic trigger flexing, the decocker flexed when you used it too.
 
I didn't understand either because I thought the reason being a newbie is that I didn't know how to shoot properly and want to learn. If I keep failing the qualification and can't get in a club, how the hell am I going to achieve that?
that was why I didn't think they really meant "qualify" and picked a new gun(P320 with heavy trigger) and failed with one flyer. luckily I passed 2nd time with the beautiful trigger on the glock 21. I know it's me being a newbie, but that was the point. kind of chicken and egg. :)


bollox said:
I have never understood these "qualification" shoots that seem to be the norm in Ont/que.

I signed up to my range, got the gate code and went shooting...
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JohnnyP636 said:
Well I think its pretty good that if you cant hit a regular piece of paper at 5 yards, that you need more practice before they let you shoot holes in their floor and ceiling....I did really well as a new shooter at my range test, but I've also seen people do really badly, I did a basic hand gun course also, and a lady there wanted to take the holster course the next day. She failed the basic hand gun course, she could barely hit the paper at all at 5 yards, but yet she though she was ready to holster....

I think its a good thing, I dont want to be standing besides someone at a range that doesnt have control over their handgun. And its not just about hitting paper, its handling and proving the gun safe. Lots of people dont do any of that well and need to get more practice before they should be alowed to shoot on their own with other people around IMO
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I think its the stupidest thing I've ever heard, How are you going to practice shooting with a handgun if you cant become a member of a range? and what do they teach in your RPAL courses over there if not how to handle and prove a firearm safe?

As for the worst trigger ever the clear winner is the nagant revolver with a 33lb DA trigger
 
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