Triple dated, MO marked Mosins

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Hi everyone,

I jumped on the Mosin-Nagant 91/30 band wagon and ended up with a triple dated, MO marked, hex receiver in good condition.

After looking around on the net, it appears that the triple dated ones are hard to find and the MO meaning is still unknown.

So with the recent imports coming into Canada, just how rare are these? Are they something that should be left as a safe queen as opposed to being treated as a shooter?

Looking for some Mosin experts to chime in.

Thanks.

Silverplate
 
Silverplate said:
Hi everyone,

I jumped on the Mosin-Nagant 91/30 band wagon and ended up with a triple dated, MO marked, hex receiver in good condition.

After looking around on the net, it appears that the triple dated ones are hard to find and the MO meaning is still unknown.

So with the recent imports coming into Canada, just how rare are these? Are they something that should be left as a safe queen as opposed to being treated as a shooter?

Looking for some Mosin experts to chime in.

Thanks.

Silverplate
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I have a tripled dated MO marked Mosin as well. A 1935 Hex receiver with dates 1949 and 1950. The barrel is in amazing condition but the rifle looks like it fell out of a pickup truck going 80K.

 
There are innumerable variations in a rifle the was manufactured for 45+ years and in service in various places for much longer. Collectors are passionate about the subject but in practical terms the number of collectors is probably exceeded by the number of variants. Certain rifles of historic significance have value across a fairly wide audience but minor variants like "MO marked, double dated" are pretty obscure not the least because there is no consensus on what the MO and date mean
Its nice to find these "rare" variants at commodity prices but in practical terms its hard to convert this rarity into dollars because those seeking them are doing exactly the same thing - looking for diamonds in the rough. They want the reward of finding the treasure that everyone else missed at the garage sale using their knowledge and experience. Anybody can pay retail.
I shoot all my rifles - rare or common.
 
Interesting to see a few others out there.

I lucked into mine as the store was kind enough to let me pick out a hex receiver and I did not see the markings until I started cleaning it at home.

Going from memory, mine is a 1934/48/50 date with a very nice bore as well. The only marks on the stock is where the finish flaked off when I removed the bands. I had a tough time removing them as they were quite tight. Still don't know how I would have done it differently to avoid the scratches.

I have looked at the 7.62x54r.net site, lots of good info there. I'll shoot the rifle but will pick up another one for the bush.

Thanks for the replies.

Silverplate
 
Quadruple Dated Moisin Nagant MO

Hi Guys,

I see talk on the net of double and triple dated Moisin-Nagant rifles with the MO markings.

I have one that appears to be quadruple dated.

I wonder if that is rare or just an oddity.

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Myself, personally, I'd be pretty wary of marks, stampings, cartouches, and the rest of the markings world. Do your research and make sure you're buying something real and not tampered with. There are people out there who wouldn't think twice about adding a certain stamp to increase their profit, be wary. The difference in font size is usually a giveaway.
 
cainesy said:
Myself, personally, I'd be pretty wary of marks, stampings, cartouches, and the rest of the markings world. Do your research and make sure you're buying something real and not tampered with. There are people out there who wouldn't think twice about adding a certain stamp to increase their profit, be wary. The difference in font size is usually a giveaway.
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With k98s etc, yes. Havent seen it with the mosins, but I suppose its coming some day.
 
All we have are just theories about MO. And they all have their flaws. One of the theories is that MO is a mark for some major rework or repair, but what kind of rework could happen two, three or even four times?
 
Faking MOs is much easier than K98s. The MO stamps are randomly placed and rather carelessly applied. They over-strike other features. There is no real way to tell whether the MO mark was made in the USSR in 1950 or in some guy's basement 10 minutes ago.

MOs are interesting to some people but they are a bad investment because it is nearly impossible to prove the stamps are authentic. Check out all the really nice EDM stamps from Poland on EBAY. These at least are a little expensive. A set of numbers and letters needed to make MOs is less than $40.
 
marc_j said:
Faking MOs is much easier than K98s. The MO stamps are randomly placed and rather carelessly applied. They over-strike other features. There is no real way to tell whether the MO mark was made in the USSR in 1950 or in some guy's basement 10 minutes ago.

MOs are interesting to some people but they are a bad investment because it is nearly impossible to prove the stamps are authentic. Check out all the really nice EDM stamps from Poland on EBAY. These at least are a little expensive. A set of numbers and letters needed to make MOs is less than $40.
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That would assume that mo marked examples are worth a substantial premium over a regular example & they are not. The bluing would also have to be retouched & even then recent marks stand out like a sore thumb.
 
The rage down south now is fake Finn mosins, the boys are pretty pissed about it. It don't take much, a hammer and a stamp, voila! We all know a fool and his money is easily separated. Be wary and keep yer eyes open. :cheers:
 
desporterizer said:
That would assume that mo marked examples are worth a substantial premium over a regular example & they are not. The bluing would also have to be retouched & even then recent marks stand out like a sore thumb.
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That is right except a fine example of an original Mosin with a fake MO stamp is just a fake. Fixing the bluing isn't very difficult to do. It is nearly undetectable because you are only re-bluing the indented part of the new stamp not trying to match a large area.
 
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