Load data for Hornady 150gr 308 fmj-bt?!?!

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Hey does anyone have a picture of the load data for this round? I cant find it anywhere online and i don't have the Hornady manual. Help please

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Chinbullco said:
That's too friggin easy. A lot of handloaders think they need "manufacturer of bullets used" data. That might work if all firearms were exactly equal.
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And to add to the anxiety, many want it from the powder manufacturer as well. What about the brass and primer and rifle and barrel manufacturer?

I admit I was somewhat inclined the same way starting out, and there's no harm in cross-referencing data as a sanity check.
 
Chinbullco said:
That's too friggin easy. A lot of handloaders think they need "manufacturer of bullets used" data. That might work if all firearms were exactly equal.
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Knowledge is power and if they provide good data, why would you ignore it? It just gives you another variable to work with. Isn't precision about knowing all the variables? Not to mention, Hodgdon's website only pulls up Nosler bullets. Which it suggests a starting load of 44gr of Varget. Where as Hornady suggests a min of 35.9gr and MAX load of 44.5gr! I think that shows precisely why knowing manufacturer data is useful. When you're putting oil in a new car are you going to go with what the manufacturer suggests or just some website?

Anyway, maybe it's my inexperience but thats how i feel consistancy and accuracy begins. Not just blindly trusting trusting any website and saying "yea close enough". M2C
 
etoast said:
Knowledge is power and if they provide good data, why would you ignore it? It just gives you another variable to work with. Isn't precision about knowing all the variables? Not to mention, Hodgdon's website only pulls up Nosler bullets. Which it suggests a starting load of 44gr of Varget. Where as Hornady suggests a min of 35.9gr and MAX load of 44.5gr! I think that shows precisely why knowing manufacturer data is useful. When you're putting oil in a new car are you going to go with what the manufacturer suggests or just some website?

Anyway, maybe it's my inexperience but thats how i feel consistancy and accuracy begins. Not just blindly trusting trusting any website and saying "yea close enough". M2C
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For starters, your analogy of car oil is quite incorrect. The correct analogy would be do you listen to the car manufacturers recommendation or the oil manufacturers recommendation? Both can be just as valid or just as incorrect in certain situations.

We aren't talking about "some website" but the official published data by the powder manufacturer, Hodgdon. Those are quite different things. "Some website" would better describe CGN.

There are also wild variations in how the loads could have been developed. Different chamber dimensions, different barrels, different lots of powder, different lots of primers, different measuring equipment, different brands of cases, and countless other variables. One of the big variables is the companies lawyers requirements.

Whether someone follows the bullet manufacturers data or the powder manufacturers data is totally up to personal opinion. To blindly say the powder manufacture is wrong is no different from blindly saying the bullet manufacturer is wrong. They are both valid in probably different conditions and/or with different equipment.

Varget is a problematic powder because it is made in several different plants and can have different variations. I've read multiple times that Australian Varget is VERY different from US Varget. I've heard similar things about lots of Varget in Europe and sometimes odd lots of Varget even in the US that pop up sometimes. It adds one more significant variable that needs to be taken into consideration.
 
LUTNIT said:
For starters, your analogy of car oil is quite incorrect. The correct analogy would be do you listen to the car manufacturers recommendation or the oil manufacturers recommendation? Both can be just as valid or just as incorrect in certain situations.

We aren't talking about "some website" but the official published data by the powder manufacturer, Hodgdon. Those are quite different things. "Some website" would better describe CGN.

There are also wild variations in how the loads could have been developed. Different chamber dimensions, different barrels, different lots of powder, different lots of primers, different measuring equipment, different brands of cases, and countless other variables. One of the big variables is the companies lawyers requirements.

Whether someone follows the bullet manufacturers data or the powder manufacturers data is totally up to personal opinion. To blindly say the powder manufacture is wrong is no different from blindly saying the bullet manufacturer is wrong. They are both valid in probably different conditions and/or with different equipment.

Varget is a problematic powder because it is made in several different plants and can have different variations. I've read multiple times that Australian Varget is VERY different from US Varget. I've heard similar things about lots of Varget in Europe and sometimes odd lots of Varget even in the US that pop up sometimes. It adds one more significant variable that needs to be taken into consideration.
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So if you buy a corvette , and was told this car has been tested with penzoil,and that is what GM recommends . That it's the same as buying esso oil , because Esso , said it's the same . That don't make much sense to me. I use the Hornady manual when using Hornady bullets, with the listed powder. But if the powder is not listed , I use Hodgdonreloading ,and improvise. I'm new and still learning ,so please be kind :) I also respect all your advice and have used it many times ... Thanks.... Brian
 
LUTNIT said:
For starters, your analogy of car oil is quite incorrect. The correct analogy would be do you listen to the car manufacturers recommendation or the oil manufacturers recommendation? Both can be just as valid or just as incorrect in certain situations.

We aren't talking about "some website" but the official published data by the powder manufacturer, Hodgdon. Those are quite different things. "Some website" would better describe CGN.

There are also wild variations in how the loads could have been developed. Different chamber dimensions, different barrels, different lots of powder, different lots of primers, different measuring equipment, different brands of cases, and countless other variables. One of the big variables is the companies lawyers requirements.

Whether someone follows the bullet manufacturers data or the powder manufacturers data is totally up to personal opinion. To blindly say the powder manufacture is wrong is no different from blindly saying the bullet manufacturer is wrong. They are both valid in probably different conditions and/or with different equipment.

Varget is a problematic powder because it is made in several different plants and can have different variations. I've read multiple times that Australian Varget is VERY different from US Varget. I've heard similar things about lots of Varget in Europe and sometimes odd lots of Varget even in the US that pop up sometimes. It adds one more significant variable that needs to be taken into consideration.
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Thank you for your imput and thank you for proving my point that discrepancy in manufactures (of varget,oil, or other products) can lead to errors. This is why i want all the data. I did not state that Hodgdon was "incorrect", just that I wanted ALL the data recommended and not just one website. I believe this is how to avoid "wild variations".

Agreed both bullet/car and powder/oil manufacturers have valid and useful information. What I am saying is to merely ignore one or the other, would be a mistake in MY opinion. Getting all the info is the key to precision and someone shouldn't be little or deter someones attempt to gain such knowledge.

As for my anology, to say it is incorrect would going against your own ideas. Where would you start when looking to do an oil change if you were a new driver? Your owners manual or a oil manufacturers website? I think you would go with the cars manufacturer manual first. After all you did just state that powder/oil have different variations. A 5w30 made in europe will of course have different make up than one produced in the US. To ensure proper performance I would check the car/bullets manual, especially when the oil/powder website suggestion only lists a lexus/nosler when you're actually putting it in a toyota/hornady. I believe as a beginner driver/reloader getting all the "manufacturer recommendations" is the appropriate place to start for safety. Better to err on the side of caution and start with the lighter load suggestion. Would you not agree?

Enough of the analogies though. This has clearly got out of hand. Thank you all for your imput everyone. This was an attempt to find appropriate data for safety, consistancy and precision. Thank you to those who provided the relevant data to the topic at hand. Safe shooting and happy reloading everyone.
 
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etoast said:
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Enough of the analogies though. This has clearly got out of hand. Thank you all for your imput everyone. This was an attempt to find appropriate data for safety, consistancy and precision. Thank you to those who provided the relevant data to the topic at hand. Safe shooting and happy reloading everyone.
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The other thing to keep in mind is to start at the bottom when developing a load, and work up.
In situations where I have seen wildly varying start data, I will look at the particulars (case, primer, firearm...) and see if one of them corresponds with what I have available. That can give you a starting point.

If you take load data for a particular style of bullet construction (cup and core jacketed, monometal solid, cast lead, copper plated) for one manufacturer's bullet of a given weight, you can usually go with starting load data for a different manufacturer's bullet of the same style and weight. The max loads will be different, but the start loads will be close enough that you won't likely blow anything up.

Again: start at the minimum and work your way up.
 
OldDude said:
The other thing to keep in mind is to start at the bottom when developing a load, and work up.
In situations where I have seen wildly varying start data, I will look at the particulars (case, primer, firearm...) and see if one of them corresponds with what I have available. That can give you a starting point.

If you take load data for a particular style of bullet construction (cup and core jacketed, monometal solid, cast lead, copper plated) for one manufacturer's bullet of a given weight, you can usually go with starting load data for a different manufacturer's bullet of the same style and weight. The max loads will be different, but the start loads will be close enough that you won't likely blow anything up.

Again: start at the minimum and work your way up.
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I agree. Thanks for the input. That's why I was wary when I saw the two starting loads were so far off.
 
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