Jury Custom barrel

[rpollock]

Geez Jeff, looks like a poked your soft squishy pink underbelly! Sorry about that!

As to the day you shot the record, I knew how important it was to you to finally shoot your first BRSC record after 15 years of trying in vain, and since it looked like a for sure record as you destroyed the old record, of course I asked you if you were current in your membership, and I also asked you to leave your targets on the wall for the referees to retrieve and send to the scoring committee. All standard procedure, and done to be sure you could get the record you deserved and worked so hard for. Same as I would do for anyone who wanted to send in possible record targets. As you know it is 100% the competitors responsibility to speak to the referees and ask to have their targets submitted for record approval. I only wish I had noticed you broke 2 records that day not just the one.


As to Jury barrels, since you seem to speak for Bob and have become his last remaining de facto online rep, can you please ask him if it would be all right for me to post the pictures of the inside of a Jury barrel? Up until now I didn't want to, but you seem determined to get to the bottom of this topic, I am game if you and Bob are! Let me know.

As to the rest of your post I am going to assume the personal attacks are just your meds talking.

Have a great day!

R U trying to be “tricky” Ricky ?? Let us look at what he has provided to us. A list of only 5 guys who filled out the equipment list form, question= is it mandatory answer NO, question= are you punished for not filling it out answer NO , question= do you tell Ricky to hold up the match if you decide to change your equipment and can you even change your equipment during a match answer NO and yes you can change your equipment during a match, (I wait until lunch time to change guns and have never changed only a barrel during the daylong event if there are 2 aggregates shot in one day) (also of real interest Robert S (who shoots for team Canada like I have not only changes his equipment more than most but has been known to change it after the second or third target if his gun is not performing in a manner in which he thinks it should question does he ask or tell Ricky the change occurred, no of course not) SO THE DOCUMENT HAS LITTLE VALUE IF ANY IN DETERMINING WHAT EQUIPMENT WAS USED THAT DAY FOR ME. PRETTY SIMPLE,
Why then would Ricky try to be tricky? Simple we do not get along very well at all, when Ricky came back to BR after a car racing career, and we went to st Louis (USA east west or nationals I was asked to show him around and introduce him to the alleged BIG DOGS as he was out of the loop; I did so and when we went to Ron hoen trailer to look at stuff for sale Ricky was looking at a few barrels, I mentioned to just “take them all” but Rick did not have a wad of cash on him and had other stops to make (understandably so) SO Jeffy says to Rick with Ron right there with us “just take them all and send Ron a cheque or money order when you get home, that will work and Ron says” if Jeff says it’s OK then it is OK end quote, so I helped Rick get re-acquainted with the big dogs and he now has many big dog friends around the USA, good for him.
So back to the weekend of the record setting performance, once the 5th and final target was shot and rick saw what had transpired he came over to me in the clubhouse and spoke about me not being a current member of bench rest shooters Canada and I replied I was not to worry, and NOT being satisfied with that answer a few minutes later he came by once again for the second time and needed more proof, to which I responded by asking Paul Ross (membership guy) if it was true that we spoke at 7:15 am that morning about me paying money for the current BRSC membership and getting a new application form to which Paul replied Yes of course so Ricky had to back away. It is my position that if there was anything in his power to disqualify me he would have in a heartbeat but he could not. You will note that (maybe not the Canadian championships where on practice day you can register and pay) ON EVERY SHOOT IN THE LAST 15 YEARS AT CALGARY THERE HAS ALMOST NEVER BEEN A CASE WHERE EVERYONE IS PAID UP BERFORE THE MATCH STARTS AND HAS FILLED OUT A APPLICATION FORM FOR BRSC. So trying to be tricky Ricky maybe announce before the match and put everything on hold if it is that important to you, it has never mattered in the past.
Why have I taken the time to explain this in more detail than a simple answer, it is due to the fact that short range Br guys have a reputation of being elitist, snobbish and so on to this day (maybe for good reason now that you know the rest of the story)

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...f-the-kiddie-pool!?highlight=benchrest+clinic now you interpret what Rick means by this, is it disrespectful, i know Rick and he did not intend it to be such but some have asked me and I do not care to interpret his writings each time he does not convey what he really is thinking, judge for yourself.
Is BR hard, yes and does it take years Yes, but http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...n-year-old-angelina-bests-benchrest-big-boys/ READ THAT and see how tough BR is,
My point is simple, please do not muddy the waters by attacking my character or deflecting the issue on purpose the record was set with a JURY barrel and just because it does not fit into your little narrative so what, quit trying to be TRICKY, RICKY
FACTS I went to my reloading trailer (separate room in the 5th wheel) and had both guns out on the couch, I decided to take the 3 lug BAT with the 1500$ paint job of aliens as I looked at the winds had not picked up too much at all and thought TIME TO TAKE THE LITTLE PUPPY OUT FOR A WALK, and guess what at the end of the match it not only ran with the big dogs it made them cower in the corner and pee themselves. I guess I better change the registration for the USA nationals next year as I planned on taking another lilja down and change it to a jury just in case I win a few hall of fame points before Ricky. (he is now shooting much better than he has for the last 8 year slump so he may be the gold medalist next year; I hope so for if he does it is much easier on all of us when he is winning not whining.
I hope you enjoyed reading about this as much as I did writing it, and remember Ricky was trying to be tricky so the RECORD (get it record) had to be set straight. And I beat quite a few guys on the Canadian team for BR in 2015, but they did not have their best barrels on I guess, saving them for the big dogs,
A last parting shot before I take on the real question asked about jury barrels and Canadian records, in the last year I was contacted by the president of a rifle making company in the USA looking to build new stocks, and have assisted them in the following A DESIGN HAS BEEN CHOSEN, THE MOULD MADE, THE TRAINING DONE, THE FACILITY EXPANDED TO MAKE THESE NEW STOCKS WHICH ARE CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-PRODUCTION (and not subject to someone being tricky pulling out a meaningless stupid form easily explained away) SO SHORLTY guys and gals in north America will have the opportunity to get a now stock form this company and guess what good old Jeffy made it happen, just like the JTR and other inventions that have been an asset to the shooting community. No need to thank me just do not slag me, NOW off to feed the cats and then back to the regularly scheduled programming. Love jiffy

 

[SND]

I'm interested to hear about the different steps and methods of inspection performed and what criteria rules it out without shooting it.
I can only assume bore measurements were also taken.

Are there any set standards with surface finish range, tolerance on diameters, concentricity, straightness and so on to go by and rules out anything for which 1 feature falls out of this spec?

 

[Canuck525]

Tagged for interest....

 

[SND]

Maybe it would be easier to start another thread on what makes a barrel a good barrel if there wasn't one already?, specs, inspection methods and so on. I'll let the guys who have that info/pictures/data decide.

 

[Canuck525]

Maybe it would be easier to start another thread on what makes a barrel a good barrel if there wasn't one already?, specs, inspection methods and so on. I'll let the guys who have that info/pictures/data decide.

Just google and you will find lots of info like you requested....

 

[Pesky ab]

not enitrely true, the SRBR rifle are the most accurate in SHORT RANGE BENCH REST,

the f-class rifles are the most accurate at F-CLASS TARGETS AND DISTANCES USING the number of rounds to be fired in f-class knowing that between relays you MAY NOT OR DO NOT get a change to clean and then PROPELY FOUL YOUR BARREL,

the 1000 yard Benchrest rifles are the most accurate at 1000 yards, you get the picture,

This is a good point, all true

 

[Pesky ab]

I hope I do not mis-speak Rick, I understand you shot a 5 shot group at Drayton Valley in the lande tactical shoot that measured in the .2's,

and the year before Jim from rocky mtn house shot a 6.5 by 284 savage gun in the 2's as well, so pesky or HW223 on another forum, ATRS is not saying all day long with wind flags at your home range, but just that they are good enough to do that,


that is all no more no less,

Jefferson

cant agree with you here, I believe he said they shoot .2 or better(I believe implying teens ), in the .2's is not .2, small details but when your separating winners by a few thou it matters , and if its one group we call that fortunate , not what the gun is capable of ,when it aggs there , that would be what its capable of.
that is all no more no less,

 

[280 ackley]

You would be better served giving yourself a colonoscopy with your borescope than trying to decide if a rifle barrel will shoot or not. An air gauge would be far more useful.after hundreds of installs and looking at every barrel manufacturers tubes i can honestly equate that nonsense to reading tarot cards and tea leaves. the only way to know if a tube will shoot is actually shoot it.

 

[delta1]

You would be better served giving yourself a colonoscopy with your borescope than trying to decide if a rifle barrel will shoot or not. An air gauge would be far more useful.after hundreds of installs and looking at every barrel manufacturers tubes i can honestly equate that nonsense to reading tarot cards and tea leaves. the only way to know if a tube will shoot is actually shoot it.

Hit the nail on the head.

 

[Pesky ab]

to PESKY ab

you are one of the nicest guys I have met in a long time, and quite honest almost to a fualt as I do not think you would try to deliberately mislead anyone, and you have apoplogized on another forum

with that said please answer this,

how many barrels did you get from Jury, were they paid for, were they chambered up and shot and how did they shoot,

I ask this because I know you personally amd I am under the impression youy order a couople of dozen barrels a year, and you have said you video them, good for you in the pursuit of accuracy.

my point is this, I am under the impression you have chambered up at least a dozen kreigers (or whatever) each year and test them to find ONE OR TWO TO TAKE TO THE BIG MATCHES great

but before you wreck the Jury barrel repuation as not being good enough for shrt range BR did you buy 12 barrels and chambver them all up

if not then your testing procedure can only apply to USA barrels as you have no idea how they may shoot (oh sorry you do i set a canadain record with one)
that should be easy for you to remember as on friday night you told me that you would be at a wedding and not able to come on saturday, and you WISHED ME THE BEST OF LUCK TO SHOOT WELL BUT NOT WELL ENOUGH TO BEAT YOUR FRIEND RICKY.

I then after the shoot was over had to APOLOGIZE to you for trying my best not to beat Ricky but he just did not hold up his end of the bargain, you and I both laughed at this attempt at humour although I am not sure Ricky enjoyed the comment as much as us,

enjoy your day as you are one of the good ones, (your friend not so much, JUST KIDDING RICKY)


trying to get to the bottom of the issue on testing the jury barrels,

Jefferson

Barrels ,
I have bore scoped about 6 jury barrels, only one 6 mm of which I had the opportunity to video log. The others were barrels that had been chambered and were on guns new at the range. some 30's and some 6.5's.
so no I did not pay for any of them (not sure of the relevance there)
all the Jury Barrels that I have looked in have the same radial marks on the lands from processing and usually a longitudinal line that runs down the center of the land ( I would think this is from the cutter box)
the last one that I looked in was new last fall as I understood it, if processing has changed and the new ones no longer have any of these issues I would not know about it as I have not seen any this spring.my experience has been that if I was to shoot a barrel showing this kind of profile without lapping, it would be a fowler.so I moved on , How ever in light of this thread I can make time to chamber and test the barrel in its current condition if this would satisfy you.
Your right I usually order barrels 10- 30 at a time . I have chambered as little as 4 and as many as 15 to test in a given season ranking them in the following order , barrels for big matches such as nationals, barrels for practice and club shoots, barrels for practice and barrels that go straight to the varmint gun.
barrels that I have experience with would be , Benchmark, Broughton, Krieger, Bartlien,Shilen, Gailard, and Macclennon. I have not experienced the radial marking on any of these barrels , all these barrels have been lapped by the barrel makers , so it is entirely possible that they may have looked the same as the Jury barrel before lapping,
yes I do several measurements on the bores as part of the process ,
I did not say Jury barrels were bad in fact for most of the hunting and varminting crowd they are probably just fine. what I did say is that they do not make the grade for me for srbr at this time ,(I can not afford a barrel that fowls) . as I said I hope Bob flourishes and becomes tops in his trade we need more manufactures out here.Jeff you did have an awesome day last year and I congratulate you now as I did then, not sure why your throwing rocks, my shooting record is out there for all to see , the good and the bad just need to look at the match reports,
hope your health holds and your shooting continues, we are all competitive and we all want to win . looking forward to doing all my fighting on the range, group by group and agg by agg for the win !
hope this helps clear up some of the confusion on the barrels.

 

[Pesky ab]

You would be better served giving yourself a colonoscopy with your borescope than trying to decide if a rifle barrel will shoot or not. An air gauge would be far more useful.after hundreds of installs and looking at every barrel manufacturers tubes i can honestly equate that nonsense to reading tarot cards and tea leaves. the only way to know if a tube will shoot is actually shoot it.

this is also true , 100 yard spin test is the only one that matters, bore scope wont show you a good barrel , but it will show you a bad one!

 

[Jefferson]

thank you for thinking of my health Calvin, and good luck with your Presidency of the Benchrest shooters of Canada (he took over for me a few years back)

thank you for thinking of me doing well in F-class as that is where I will be this early july (if they will still let me?) as I have decided not to travel to your home range in selkirk manitoba for the Canadian championships in short range benchrest. Not due to being worried about being beat (oh yes I am) but because of the dual tourist attraction that range offers me (justr kidding on this one but please see the reason for me not going)

dual attraction you say, yes not only moving backers but moving benches, yes folks they are wooden and not cement. and some of them are very tall as the seats are fixed and I had to use 3 phone books to see out the scope of my gun (not kidding) so I only finished second a few years back and do not wish to spend my money with those benches. good luck to all

and lastly friend calvin can my doctor call your doctor as your meds seem to be working better than mine

love ya

Jeffy




(i will post once more about rick as we chatted this am and it went well)

Well Jeff, Jeffy, Jefferson, whatever i have called you in the past, again it is all about Jeffy and what Jeffy has done for the shooting world. Yes you have helped a lot of us get into the sport, I will not take that away from you but I guess the first person to get me over the slope, Joe ##### and Benchrest Central.

I bought a scope that was a dud, and some Barts bullets back in the day. The price was right. I never #####ed about the scope because that is the way I am. I get screwed more times in life than I wish to be. I am not a fighter. I just learn the hard way.

Anyways, getting back on topic, your posts are WAY out of line. Rick in no way attacked you. He just questioned why the barrel was marked as a Lilja when you say it is a Jury now. What credibility can there be if any in your statements? NONE.

I have seen pictures of the Jury barrels and Bartleins. If you were to see them you yourself would question what is seen inside. I know I would not pay for one. I could care less if there are those who say they are great. The bottom line, I heard a statement yesterday that they look NO better than a good Remington barrel. Yep, it looks just like the inside of my Remington without the use of a bore scope.

I can go on and on but this is not the place and time.

Oh yah speaking of records, what about that small group you shot at Rosebud? Yes it was scored WRONG. You end up with a Rosebud range record, unfortunately. Someone should have paid the 5.00 to challenge it but no one did. Then the TANTRUM when the BRSC Records chair would not look at it in your time frame. He looks at it but NOT when you are around.

I guess this is a detailed thread but I will start a new one " one of these things is not like the other" Which one would you buy?

All the best to you in your battle with health issues and your new endeavour in the F-Class world.

One time friend(or so I thought)

Calvin

 

[Jefferson]

I called Rick this AM and he took my call,

I thanked him for his very mature post this moring and apologized for letting my emotions get ahead of my brain (does that ever happen to the folks reading the posts)

we agreed on some things and did not see eye to eye on others but for the most part agreed on lots of stuff. Both of us are VERY passionate about the sport of short range benchrest and the success we try to obtain,

based on that I think I will let this thread carry on without me as it could be seen as harming that small part of the shooting sports,

am I jury's best friend no do I wish I had never met jury yes

but why you ask, because it is easier to be on the sidelines and never say anything about a topic than to ACTUALLY COMPETE AND SPEND LOTS OF MONEY TRYING TO BE THE BEST WE CAN BE,

any way thanks Rick (not ricky but Mr. Pollock)

and thanks for saying you were sorry to have missed my other potential canadian record, I thank you and know that it was not intentional,

(and for all of our fans look on the internet in alberta towns and hamlets for there is both pollockville and wardlow and they are not too far apart in distance so i will have to ask grandpa if he knows anyone for the other side of the tracks)

hope everyone has learned from this thread and

see ya it is off to the range later this month to learn more about mirage boards and reading the wind, EH ! and lastly for your viewing pleasure http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/04/15/how-much-does-group-size-matter/

Jefferson

Geez Jeff, looks like a poked your soft squishy pink underbelly! Sorry about that!

As to the day you shot the record, I knew how important it was to you to finally shoot your first BRSC record after 15 years of trying in vain, and since it looked like a for sure record as you destroyed the old record, of course I asked you if you were current in your membership, and I also asked you to leave your targets on the wall for the referees to retrieve and send to the scoring committee. All standard procedure, and done to be sure you could get the record you deserved and worked so hard for. Same as I would do for anyone who wanted to send in possible record targets. As you know it is 100% the competitors responsibility to speak to the referees and ask to have their targets submitted for record approval. I only wish I had noticed you broke 2 records that day not just the one.


As to Jury barrels, since you seem to speak for Bob and have become his last remaining de facto online rep, can you please ask him if it would be all right for me to post the pictures of the inside of a Jury barrel? Up until now I didn't want to, but you seem determined to get to the bottom of this topic, I am game if you and Bob are! Let me know.

As to the rest of your post I am going to assume the personal attacks are just your meds talking.

Have a great day!

 

[marshman]

And they lived happily ever after..... THE END

 

[Tomochan]

This was an interesting thread - it contained elements of just about everything I've seen in the Canadian shooting landscape:

we had great technical information;
we had snobbery and elitism ( my game is the best not yours );
we had a series of rants;
we had wild posturing; and
we had worthwhile comments about new products

I can't help but think that after reading a thread like this a new shooter would be totally put off even thinking about the idea of going to a competition and would, frankly, be scared poopless about the idea of SBR.

What I concluded is that the Jury barrels are really very good and are likely more than adequate for LR precision (PRS -style) and F-Class but - while having had some notable success in SBR - are perhaps not ready for this most demanding of disciplines. Did I get that right ?

 

[Bonemaker]

if I may interrupt all the cr#p on this thread and talk about Jury Barrels;

I ordered a 338lm barrel from Jury two summers ago. It arrived to the gun smith approx. 2 weeks after I ordered it, and with a little whittling, took it from a truck axle to a heavy contour and mounted it into a SAKO M995 action. Its produces out standing accuracy (once I figured out a proper load) and did I mention two weeks from time of order. Its also Canadian made. I believe Bob has the contouring ability now that was missing when I bought.

Highly recommended, no drama, no 7 month wait, no ignorant comments......

 

[6MT]

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[EC]

This was an interesting thread - it contained elements of just about everything I've seen in the Canadian shooting landscape:

we had great technical information;
we had snobbery and elitism ( my game is the best not yours );
we had a series of rants;
we had wild posturing; and
we had worthwhile comments about new products

I can't help but think that after reading a thread like this a new shooter would be totally put off even thinking about the idea of going to a competition and would, frankly, be scared poopless about the idea of SBR.

What I concluded is that the Jury barrels are really very good and are likely more than adequate for LR precision (PRS -style) and F-Class but - while having had some notable success in SBR - are perhaps not ready for this most demanding of disciplines. Did I get that right ?

Bob,
Well said, especially relating to the elitism and snobbery of certain disciplines.

 

[Schecter 81]

All I know is I am very much looking forward to recieving our order of barrels and seeing for ourselves how they perform. We ordered 4 barrels in a few calibers. We will get a good read on how they look in different calibers and once they are chambered and installed, how they shoot.

6MT is going to be getting his .308, I will be getting my 7mm for my new 7LRM build, and we have two .223 barrels coming. Great pricing, great service, fast delivery, and so far Bob has been excellent to deal with.

One thing I do know, if I end up with a Jury barrel that is a dud, I would rather deal with a fella that I can drive and go see that have to try to ship one to the US and wait another 7mths for.

And I can almost guarantee that I will have my LRM shooting 1/2 minute when I'm done with it.

Oh and I forgot! The .308 barrel that Bob donated as a give away for the 2015 Alberta Poker Rally. Guess we will get to see how that one shoots to.

 

[Canuck525]

This was an interesting thread - it contained elements of just about everything I've seen in the Canadian shooting landscape:

we had great technical information;
we had snobbery and elitism ( my game is the best not yours );
we had a series of rants;
we had wild posturing; and
we had worthwhile comments about new products

I can't help but think that after reading a thread like this a new shooter would be totally put off even thinking about the idea of going to a competition and would, frankly, be scared poopless about the idea of SBR.

What I concluded is that the Jury barrels are really very good and are likely more than adequate for LR precision (PRS -style) and F-Class but - while having had some notable success in SBR - are perhaps not ready for this most demanding of disciplines. Did I get that right ?

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