Jury Custom barrel
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Sorry about that , I meant that within my discipline , shooting any discipline at the top level is tough and takes a lot of work to do wellJeepers, it almost sounds like every other form of firearms competition is inferior to you, as in 1,000 BR, Fclass, Palma match shooting, , or any of the other irons matches and anybody with a so-so barrel can win in those matches .
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Yup ,The big thing that I have learned after close to 50 years of ISU and other competitive rifle shooting is that one cannot buy accuracy no matter the discipline because everyone in a particular discipline is shooting under the same rules and all the scores are relative .
No matter what type of rifle it is, the shooter still has to dope the wind and make a proper shot sequence multiple times.
even master class small bore matches are not won by points quite often but by X's .
Cat
No matter what type of rifle it is, the shooter still has to dope the wind and make a proper shot sequence multiple times.
even master class small bore matches are not won by points quite often but by X's .
Cat
off to get a treatment for cancer
please do not close the thread just yet i wish to add my 02 cents worth, maybe on the weekend,
as yes I compete and set a canadian record for short range benchrest last year with a jury barrel, and I wish to dispell some myths and outright lies in this thread and others
later off to dreamland wish me well
Jefferson
Schecter 81
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- Edmonton Area
Hope all goes well Jefferson!
Glad to see you caught this thread, looking forward to seeing your comments.
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Mystic Precision
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All the best Jefferson.
Jerry
Jerry
This was some great shooting Jeff. Something to be proud of for sure.
It is just too bad you listed the barrel on the day of the match as a Lilja. http://benchrestforum.ca/index.php?topic=801.0
Hope your treatment goes well. Take care.
It is just too bad you listed the barrel on the day of the match as a Lilja. http://benchrestforum.ca/index.php?topic=801.0
Hope your treatment goes well. Take care.
R U trying to be “tricky” Ricky ?? Let us look at what he has provided to us. A list of only 5 guys who filled out the equipment list form, question= is it mandatory answer NO, question= are you punished for not filling it out answer NO , question= do you tell Ricky to hold up the match if you decide to change your equipment and can you even change your equipment during a match answer NO and yes you can change your equipment during a match, (I wait until lunch time to change guns and have never changed only a barrel during the daylong event if there are 2 aggregates shot in one day) (also of real interest Robert S (who shoots for team Canada like I have not only changes his equipment more than most but has been known to change it after the second or third target if his gun is not performing in a manner in which he thinks it should question does he ask or tell Ricky the change occurred, no of course not) SO THE DOCUMENT HAS LITTLE VALUE IF ANY IN DETERMINING WHAT EQUIPMENT WAS USED THAT DAY FOR ME. PRETTY SIMPLE,
Why then would Ricky try to be tricky? Simple we do not get along very well at all, when Ricky came back to BR after a car racing career, and we went to st Louis (USA east west or nationals I was asked to show him around and introduce him to the alleged BIG DOGS as he was out of the loop; I did so and when we went to Ron hoen trailer to look at stuff for sale Ricky was looking at a few barrels, I mentioned to just “take them all” but Rick did not have a wad of cash on him and had other stops to make (understandably so) SO Jeffy says to Rick with Ron right there with us “just take them all and send Ron a cheque or money order when you get home, that will work and Ron says” if Jeff says it’s OK then it is OK end quote, so I helped Rick get re-acquainted with the big dogs and he now has many big dog friends around the USA, good for him.
So back to the weekend of the record setting performance, once the 5th and final target was shot and rick saw what had transpired he came over to me in the clubhouse and spoke about me not being a current member of bench rest shooters Canada and I replied I was not to worry, and NOT being satisfied with that answer a few minutes later he came by once again for the second time and needed more proof, to which I responded by asking Paul Ross (membership guy) if it was true that we spoke at 7:15 am that morning about me paying money for the current BRSC membership and getting a new application form to which Paul replied Yes of course so Ricky had to back away. It is my position that if there was anything in his power to disqualify me he would have in a heartbeat but he could not. You will note that (maybe not the Canadian championships where on practice day you can register and pay) ON EVERY SHOOT IN THE LAST 15 YEARS AT CALGARY THERE HAS ALMOST NEVER BEEN A CASE WHERE EVERYONE IS PAID UP BERFORE THE MATCH STARTS AND HAS FILLED OUT A APPLICATION FORM FOR BRSC. So trying to be tricky Ricky maybe announce before the match and put everything on hold if it is that important to you, it has never mattered in the past.
Why have I taken the time to explain this in more detail than a simple answer, it is due to the fact that short range Br guys have a reputation of being elitist, snobbish and so on to this day (maybe for good reason now that you know the rest of the story)
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...f-the-kiddie-pool!?highlight=benchrest+clinic now you interpret what Rick means by this, is it disrespectful, i know Rick and he did not intend it to be such but some have asked me and I do not care to interpret his writings each time he does not convey what he really is thinking, judge for yourself.
Is BR hard, yes and does it take years Yes, but http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...n-year-old-angelina-bests-benchrest-big-boys/ READ THAT and see how tough BR is,
My point is simple, please do not muddy the waters by attacking my character or deflecting the issue on purpose the record was set with a JURY barrel and just because it does not fit into your little narrative so what, quit trying to be TRICKY, RICKY
FACTS I went to my reloading trailer (separate room in the 5th wheel) and had both guns out on the couch, I decided to take the 3 lug BAT with the 1500$ paint job of aliens as I looked at the winds had not picked up too much at all and thought TIME TO TAKE THE LITTLE PUPPY OUT FOR A WALK, and guess what at the end of the match it not only ran with the big dogs it made them cower in the corner and pee themselves. I guess I better change the registration for the USA nationals next year as I planned on taking another lilja down and change it to a jury just in case I win a few hall of fame points before Ricky. (he is now shooting much better than he has for the last 8 year slump so he may be the gold medalist next year; I hope so for if he does it is much easier on all of us when he is winning not whining.
I hope you enjoyed reading about this as much as I did writing it, and remember Ricky was trying to be tricky so the RECORD (get it record) had to be set straight. And I beat quite a few guys on the Canadian team for BR in 2015, but they did not have their best barrels on I guess, saving them for the big dogs,
A last parting shot before I take on the real question asked about jury barrels and Canadian records, in the last year I was contacted by the president of a rifle making company in the USA looking to build new stocks, and have assisted them in the following A DESIGN HAS BEEN CHOSEN, THE MOULD MADE, THE TRAINING DONE, THE FACILITY EXPANDED TO MAKE THESE NEW STOCKS WHICH ARE CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-PRODUCTION (and not subject to someone being tricky pulling out a meaningless stupid form easily explained away) SO SHORLTY guys and gals in north America will have the opportunity to get a now stock form this company and guess what good old Jeffy made it happen, just like the JTR and other inventions that have been an asset to the shooting community. No need to thank me just do not slag me, NOW off to feed the cats and then back to the regularly scheduled programming. Love jiffy
Why then would Ricky try to be tricky? Simple we do not get along very well at all, when Ricky came back to BR after a car racing career, and we went to st Louis (USA east west or nationals I was asked to show him around and introduce him to the alleged BIG DOGS as he was out of the loop; I did so and when we went to Ron hoen trailer to look at stuff for sale Ricky was looking at a few barrels, I mentioned to just “take them all” but Rick did not have a wad of cash on him and had other stops to make (understandably so) SO Jeffy says to Rick with Ron right there with us “just take them all and send Ron a cheque or money order when you get home, that will work and Ron says” if Jeff says it’s OK then it is OK end quote, so I helped Rick get re-acquainted with the big dogs and he now has many big dog friends around the USA, good for him.
So back to the weekend of the record setting performance, once the 5th and final target was shot and rick saw what had transpired he came over to me in the clubhouse and spoke about me not being a current member of bench rest shooters Canada and I replied I was not to worry, and NOT being satisfied with that answer a few minutes later he came by once again for the second time and needed more proof, to which I responded by asking Paul Ross (membership guy) if it was true that we spoke at 7:15 am that morning about me paying money for the current BRSC membership and getting a new application form to which Paul replied Yes of course so Ricky had to back away. It is my position that if there was anything in his power to disqualify me he would have in a heartbeat but he could not. You will note that (maybe not the Canadian championships where on practice day you can register and pay) ON EVERY SHOOT IN THE LAST 15 YEARS AT CALGARY THERE HAS ALMOST NEVER BEEN A CASE WHERE EVERYONE IS PAID UP BERFORE THE MATCH STARTS AND HAS FILLED OUT A APPLICATION FORM FOR BRSC. So trying to be tricky Ricky maybe announce before the match and put everything on hold if it is that important to you, it has never mattered in the past.
Why have I taken the time to explain this in more detail than a simple answer, it is due to the fact that short range Br guys have a reputation of being elitist, snobbish and so on to this day (maybe for good reason now that you know the rest of the story)
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...f-the-kiddie-pool!?highlight=benchrest+clinic now you interpret what Rick means by this, is it disrespectful, i know Rick and he did not intend it to be such but some have asked me and I do not care to interpret his writings each time he does not convey what he really is thinking, judge for yourself.
Is BR hard, yes and does it take years Yes, but http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com...n-year-old-angelina-bests-benchrest-big-boys/ READ THAT and see how tough BR is,
My point is simple, please do not muddy the waters by attacking my character or deflecting the issue on purpose the record was set with a JURY barrel and just because it does not fit into your little narrative so what, quit trying to be TRICKY, RICKY
FACTS I went to my reloading trailer (separate room in the 5th wheel) and had both guns out on the couch, I decided to take the 3 lug BAT with the 1500$ paint job of aliens as I looked at the winds had not picked up too much at all and thought TIME TO TAKE THE LITTLE PUPPY OUT FOR A WALK, and guess what at the end of the match it not only ran with the big dogs it made them cower in the corner and pee themselves. I guess I better change the registration for the USA nationals next year as I planned on taking another lilja down and change it to a jury just in case I win a few hall of fame points before Ricky. (he is now shooting much better than he has for the last 8 year slump so he may be the gold medalist next year; I hope so for if he does it is much easier on all of us when he is winning not whining.
I hope you enjoyed reading about this as much as I did writing it, and remember Ricky was trying to be tricky so the RECORD (get it record) had to be set straight. And I beat quite a few guys on the Canadian team for BR in 2015, but they did not have their best barrels on I guess, saving them for the big dogs,
A last parting shot before I take on the real question asked about jury barrels and Canadian records, in the last year I was contacted by the president of a rifle making company in the USA looking to build new stocks, and have assisted them in the following A DESIGN HAS BEEN CHOSEN, THE MOULD MADE, THE TRAINING DONE, THE FACILITY EXPANDED TO MAKE THESE NEW STOCKS WHICH ARE CURRENTLY UNDER PRE-PRODUCTION (and not subject to someone being tricky pulling out a meaningless stupid form easily explained away) SO SHORLTY guys and gals in north America will have the opportunity to get a now stock form this company and guess what good old Jeffy made it happen, just like the JTR and other inventions that have been an asset to the shooting community. No need to thank me just do not slag me, NOW off to feed the cats and then back to the regularly scheduled programming. Love jiffy
not enitrely true, the SRBR rifle are the most accurate in SHORT RANGE BENCH REST,
the f-class rifles are the most accurate at F-CLASS TARGETS AND DISTANCES USING the number of rounds to be fired in f-class knowing that between relays you MAY NOT OR DO NOT get a change to clean and then PROPELY FOUL YOUR BARREL,
the 1000 yard Benchrest rifles are the most accurate at 1000 yards, you get the picture,
just trying to clarify your remarks with more and maybe better info,
Jefferson
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I hope I do not mis-speak Rick, I understand you shot a 5 shot group at Drayton Valley in the lande tactical shoot that measured in the .2's,
and the year before Jim from rocky mtn house shot a 6.5 by 284 savage gun in the 2's as well, so pesky or HW223 on another forum, ATRS is not saying all day long with wind flags at your home range, but just that they are good enough to do that,
that is all no more no less,
Jefferson
to PESKY ab
you are one of the nicest guys I have met in a long time, and quite honest almost to a fualt as I do not think you would try to deliberately mislead anyone, and you have apoplogized on another forum
with that said please answer this,
how many barrels did you get from Jury, were they paid for, were they chambered up and shot and how did they shoot,
I ask this because I know you personally amd I am under the impression youy order a couople of dozen barrels a year, and you have said you video them, good for you in the pursuit of accuracy.
my point is this, I am under the impression you have chambered up at least a dozen kreigers (or whatever) each year and test them to find ONE OR TWO TO TAKE TO THE BIG MATCHES great
but before you wreck the Jury barrel repuation as not being good enough for shrt range BR did you buy 12 barrels and chambver them all up
if not then your testing procedure can only apply to USA barrels as you have no idea how they may shoot (oh sorry you do i set a canadain record with one)
that should be easy for you to remember as on friday night you told me that you would be at a wedding and not able to come on saturday, and you WISHED ME THE BEST OF LUCK TO SHOOT WELL BUT NOT WELL ENOUGH TO BEAT YOUR FRIEND RICKY.
I then after the shoot was over had to APOLOGIZE to you for trying my best not to beat Ricky but he just did not hold up his end of the bargain, you and I both laughed at this attempt at humour although I am not sure Ricky enjoyed the comment as much as us,
enjoy your day as you are one of the good ones, (your friend not so much, JUST KIDDING RICKY)
trying to get to the bottom of the issue on testing the jury barrels,
Jefferson
you are one of the nicest guys I have met in a long time, and quite honest almost to a fualt as I do not think you would try to deliberately mislead anyone, and you have apoplogized on another forum
with that said please answer this,
how many barrels did you get from Jury, were they paid for, were they chambered up and shot and how did they shoot,
I ask this because I know you personally amd I am under the impression youy order a couople of dozen barrels a year, and you have said you video them, good for you in the pursuit of accuracy.
my point is this, I am under the impression you have chambered up at least a dozen kreigers (or whatever) each year and test them to find ONE OR TWO TO TAKE TO THE BIG MATCHES great
but before you wreck the Jury barrel repuation as not being good enough for shrt range BR did you buy 12 barrels and chambver them all up
if not then your testing procedure can only apply to USA barrels as you have no idea how they may shoot (oh sorry you do i set a canadain record with one)
that should be easy for you to remember as on friday night you told me that you would be at a wedding and not able to come on saturday, and you WISHED ME THE BEST OF LUCK TO SHOOT WELL BUT NOT WELL ENOUGH TO BEAT YOUR FRIEND RICKY.
I then after the shoot was over had to APOLOGIZE to you for trying my best not to beat Ricky but he just did not hold up his end of the bargain, you and I both laughed at this attempt at humour although I am not sure Ricky enjoyed the comment as much as us,
enjoy your day as you are one of the good ones, (your friend not so much, JUST KIDDING RICKY)
trying to get to the bottom of the issue on testing the jury barrels,
Jefferson
health update, another cancer operation early may so no super shoot for me, looks like an annual event to celebrate spring, does not matter i will be here to set the record straight or set records (I have not decided which yet) you cannot get rid of me that easy unless you ban me from a website,
I truly hope you enjoyed a little more detail on the topic of accurate barels and records, isn't life grand (as in grand aggregate)
love Jeffy
I truly hope you enjoyed a little more detail on the topic of accurate barels and records, isn't life grand (as in grand aggregate)
love Jeffy
Schecter 81
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- Edmonton Area
So worth the wait!! Thanks Jefferson.
Well Jeff, Jeffy, Jefferson, whatever i have called you in the past, again it is all about Jeffy and what Jeffy has done for the shooting world. Yes you have helped a lot of us get into the sport, I will not take that away from you but I guess the first person to get me over the slope, Joe ##### and Benchrest Central.
I bought a scope that was a dud, and some Barts bullets back in the day. The price was right. I never #####ed about the scope because that is the way I am. I get screwed more times in life than I wish to be. I am not a fighter. I just learn the hard way.
Anyways, getting back on topic, your posts are WAY out of line. Rick in no way attacked you. He just questioned why the barrel was marked as a Lilja when you say it is a Jury now. What credibility can there be if any in your statements? NONE.
I have seen pictures of the Jury barrels and Bartleins. If you were to see them you yourself would question what is seen inside. I know I would not pay for one. I could care less if there are those who say they are great. The bottom line, I heard a statement yesterday that they look NO better than a good Remington barrel. Yep, it looks just like the inside of my Remington without the use of a bore scope.
I can go on and on but this is not the place and time.
Oh yah speaking of records, what about that small group you shot at Rosebud? Yes it was scored WRONG. You end up with a Rosebud range record, unfortunately. Someone should have paid the 5.00 to challenge it but no one did. Then the TANTRUM when the BRSC Records chair would not look at it in your time frame. He looks at it but NOT when you are around.
I guess this is a detailed thread but I will start a new one " one of these things is not like the other" Which one would you buy?
All the best to you in your battle with health issues and your new endeavour in the F-Class world.
One time friend(or so I thought)
Calvin
I bought a scope that was a dud, and some Barts bullets back in the day. The price was right. I never #####ed about the scope because that is the way I am. I get screwed more times in life than I wish to be. I am not a fighter. I just learn the hard way.
Anyways, getting back on topic, your posts are WAY out of line. Rick in no way attacked you. He just questioned why the barrel was marked as a Lilja when you say it is a Jury now. What credibility can there be if any in your statements? NONE.
I have seen pictures of the Jury barrels and Bartleins. If you were to see them you yourself would question what is seen inside. I know I would not pay for one. I could care less if there are those who say they are great. The bottom line, I heard a statement yesterday that they look NO better than a good Remington barrel. Yep, it looks just like the inside of my Remington without the use of a bore scope.
I can go on and on but this is not the place and time.
Oh yah speaking of records, what about that small group you shot at Rosebud? Yes it was scored WRONG. You end up with a Rosebud range record, unfortunately. Someone should have paid the 5.00 to challenge it but no one did. Then the TANTRUM when the BRSC Records chair would not look at it in your time frame. He looks at it but NOT when you are around.
I guess this is a detailed thread but I will start a new one " one of these things is not like the other" Which one would you buy?
All the best to you in your battle with health issues and your new endeavour in the F-Class world.
One time friend(or so I thought)
Calvin
Ok, arguements about matches aside....Jefferson....just what do you feel about Bob's barrels? And all the others that have derailed my thread. Please....your opinions on the barrels. He said/she said, I did this and you didn't do that....ie: arguing ....does nothing to answer my original question.
The ramblings are entertaining...not! Looking in from the outside of personal experiences that I'm not privy to are just......boring.
Anyways, I think this thread reached his zenith after page two. Moderators...please close this thread!
The ramblings are entertaining...not! Looking in from the outside of personal experiences that I'm not privy to are just......boring.
Anyways, I think this thread reached his zenith after page two. Moderators...please close this thread!
