Tavor vs AR-15: Speed Reloads.

kb007 said:
Counting is OK for 5 round mags. It even works for ten round mags (sometimes...), but for 30 round mags with US shooters - I doubt most people would easily count 30 rounds and not somehow lose some concentration on the actual shooting. Plus, I can't count that high anyways - what's after eleven-teen btw??? ;) ;)
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Twelve-teen, thirteen-teen, fourteen-teen.... Twenty-teen and the I run outta toes. I'd be effed with full cap mags :p
 
kb007 said:
Counting is OK for 5 round mags. It even works for ten round mags (sometimes...), but for 30 round mags with US shooters - I doubt most people would easily count 30 rounds and not somehow lose some concentration on the actual shooting. Plus, I can't count that high anyways - what's after eleven-teen btw??? ;) ;)
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That's why they sell "round counters" - for guys that can't count past twenty.

I remember trying to count rds when I was serving and the battle rifle was the FNC1. Never worked, especially when you were using a 30 rd C2 mag. As for the Sterling SMG - fuggedaboudit!

That's why battle rifle (the good ones anyway) come with a bolt that locks back on an empty mag. I was amazed that the G3 (CETME/H&K) of the Bundeswehr lacked an empty mag lock back. I thought they might have learned a few things in Russia .....
Apparently it was not considered a priority.
 
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Gunnerlove said:
Plinking is plinking, you could single feed rnds and if having fun still be doing it right.
But if you have any intention of pushing the rifle there are reasons for doing things, and while you can get away with shortcuts you will end up paying for them in the end. I used to think I could count rounds but when pushed I have found that with full capacity mags and stress you can forget about counting to any accuracy. If you want to see an example of training for failure take 20 live rnds and 2 dummy rnds. Randomly load 5 mags , mix them up, stick them in your vest and try to run drills, doubles, failure drills ect. Reset and try running them with someone else calling the drills. I have seen pretty much every stoppage imaginable and proper drills will get the shooter through stoppages quickly, efficiently and consistently.
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You got it right in one. We were always taught to run our IAs and to this day when I'm running a rifle, I chamber check when the weapon stops (with the exception of CQB & when I've got a secondary). Perhaps 80% of the people who own these types of rifles have never had any training with intent, or have even seen their use outside of a range. I have mates who can reload Tavors and SA80s faster than many people can ARs, but again, training and practice with intent pays off. I just have to remind people to not use doodads on their kit.

-S.
 
Sharps '63 said:
That's why they sell "round counters" - for guys that can't count past twenty.

I remember trying to count rds when I was serving and the battle rifle was the FNC1. Never worked, especially when you were using a 30 rd C2 mag. As for the Sterling SMG - fuggedaboudit!

That's why battle rifle (the good ones anyway) come with a bolt that locks back on an empty mag. I was amazed that the G3 (CETME/H&K) of the Bundeswehr lacked an empty mag lock back. I thought they might have learned a few things in Russia .....
Apparently it was not considered a priority.
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We were issued round counters for our weapons. They're called tracers. The second round you load in the mag is the second last round out of the mag, there's little better tip off that your mag is empty than the tracer round that just cooked out of the pipe. Too bad they're not readily available on civvie street.

-S.
 
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