T-97 Range Report

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I have noticed that there aren't that many Range Report Postings for the Type 97 NSR posted on this forum.
Therefore, I thought, I would share my experience with those of you interested & curious about it.

Please note that I am by no means an expert shooter. Do not take my range result as what this compact rifle is capable of. This is just me shooting more out of sheer curiosity to see what it can do with various ammo I happen to have at hand. I am absolutely certain that the rifle will shoot way better in experienced & capable hands as well as with different type of ammo.

For those of you wondering what the set up is on the rifle:
  • Burris AR 536 sight
  • AAC Blackout Muzzle Brake
  • Surefire Scout light
  • NcStar green dot sight (it Co-witnesses with the Burris sight through the Burris see through tube located on the riser block)
I find the NcStar sight has two benefits. {it is also sighted @ 100 meters, same as the Burris AR 536}
  1. I use cheek weld instead of chin weld to see through.
  2. It feels like I am shooting using rear iron Peep sight with green laser dot for the front sight.


I zeroed the rifle with Sellier & Bellot 69 GR HPBT because, as the rifling is 1:7 twist & this particular ammo was made for such barrel.

  • The target paper is 14 X 17 inch.
  • 50 meters target result consists of 5 different ammo with a 5 shot group
  • 100 meters target result consists of 4 different ammo also with a 5 shot group
  • 200 meters target result consist of 2 types of ammo only, with a 5 shot group. However, it looks like some of the bullets strayed from the target paper.
The rest you can see from the target result.
All in all, the result was alright, considering that this is just a battle rifle & not a precision rifle. I am hoping that the accuracy will improve after I have shot a couple hundred rounds through it as well by then, I will hopefully gain a bit more experience on how to handle this puppy.




the green laser dot of the Ncstar can be seen through the tube as shown on the pic below.









 
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That's not too surprising, though I think that simply getting used to the extra long trigger pull might tighten up those groups a bit.

I fired the earlier model with the open sights last Sunday and got slightly larger groups at 100 yards with it than the groups above. The high sights on that model makes it a bit harder to figure out elevation at different ranges, particularly when shifting from the table to the standing position, but the bullpup design makes the latter easier to maintain long after a conventional rifle tires out my arms. Aiming for the center of a Figure 11 at 100 yards from the standing position landed all ten shots into the head area. I'd love to try shooting a setup like the OP's rig, but perhaps with the scope sitting a tad lower.

To me the rifle is essentially a coyote rifle for wooded terrain and at best an emergency rifle for hunting deer, plus a fun plinker for the range or woods. Even if the groups aren't the tightest, it will be easier to shoot offhand, which might count for more in the bush than another MOA of accuracy off the bench.
 
Beadwindow said:
That's not too surprising, though I think that simply getting used to the extra long trigger pull might tighten up those groups a bit.

I fired the earlier model with the open sights last Sunday and got slightly larger groups at 100 yards with it than the groups above. The high sights on that model makes it a bit harder to figure out elevation at different ranges, particularly when shifting from the table to the standing position, but the bullpup design makes the latter easier to maintain long after a conventional rifle tires out my arms. Aiming for the center of a Figure 11 at 100 yards from the standing position landed all ten shots into the head area. I'd love to try shooting a setup like the OP's rig, but perhaps with the scope sitting a tad lower.

To me the rifle is essentially a coyote rifle for wooded terrain and at best an emergency rifle for hunting deer, plus a fun plinker for the range or woods. Even if the groups aren't the tightest, it will be easier to shoot offhand, which might count for more in the bush than another MOA of accuracy off the bench.
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Thanks for the input Beadwindow.

I am actually considering changing to a scope which will sit lower on the rail & see if that will make a difference. This surely is a work in progress & hope for a better result with better optics set up.
It would have made a world of a difference if there was an aftermarket trigger like the ones they came up with for the Tavor. the original isn't that bad, but certainly needs an improvement.
 
The T97 is Norinco, and Norinco is Chinese, and the Chinese are Communist. It makes more sense for it to be in this forum than the black rifle one.
 
I find it amusing how you have like 6" between the barrel and the reticle.... my friends T97 has a 3 power vortex scope on it, not the best setup for benching accuracy but we found his T97 to group around the same as yours with ok ammo.
 
I am not sure what you meant by "6 between the barrel & the reticle". If it's the scope height from the barrel, it is actually 4.5 inches. However, my apologies if you were referring to something else.

I ended up mounting this scope as that was the only spare scope I had on me when I purchased the T97. I will eventually get something which will sit lower with a reasonable magnification & clarity.


warrenlikesboats said:
I find it amusing how you have like 6" between the barrel and the reticle.... my friends T97 has a 3 power vortex scope on it, not the best setup for benching accuracy but we found his T97 to group around the same as yours with ok ammo.
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that's not true.

you will notice the T97 faq was here long before it went to black rifles, its not a big deal to have dual forums.

the criteria of determining which forum is who designed it first? if it was designed by a communist country like the AK and the VZ. regardless of who re-produced them after like galil or valmet , its still red.

the M14 was designed by USA and even tho M305 are produced in china its still fall where the M14 should be, main battle rifles.

and if we ever get the T-81 from china , it will be the same dual forum as T-97 .


RobertMcC said:
Because T97 falls under Black rifle. Not red rifles AKA SKS, VZ58, SVT, Mosins,
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to OP. nice grouping.
 
Interesting. I've got 1.5 - 2" groups at 100 using S&B 69gr match. Best ammo I've had for my T97. Around 3-4" using 55gr Norinco which makes sense since that's 55gr in a 1:7 twist anyway.
 
Hey ShawnC,

Thanks on the comparison feed back. Your group definitely is an impressive result.
Would you like to share info on what type of set up you have on your T97 in terms of whether it was with iron sight, or flat top rail with scope?



ShawnC6 said:
Interesting. I've got 1.5 - 2" groups at 100 using S&B 69gr match. Best ammo I've had for my T97. Around 3-4" using 55gr Norinco which makes sense since that's 55gr in a 1:7 twist anyway.
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tadosan said:
Hey ShawnC,

Thanks on the comparison feed back. Your group definitely is an impressive result.
Would you like to share info on what type of set up you have on your T97 in terms of whether it was with iron sight, or flat top rail with scope?
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FTU with a AR 3-9x Bushnell, Burris PEPR mount.

I need to order some more of the ammo, just been using 55 grain lately and it's not so impressive.
 
ShawnC6 said:
FTU with a AR 3-9x Bushnell, Burris PEPR mount.

I need to order some more of the ammo, just been using 55 grain lately and it's not so impressive.
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Thanks ShawnC6.
I was actually considering getting that particular scope about a week ago from my local gun store. I went there & asked them to put the scope on one of their T97 with FTU floor model just so that I can see for myself how it looks & feels. although, I really liked the clarity of magnification level of the glass, specially, how low it sits on the rail. Unfortunately, the space the scope took on the rail & how it literally covered the entire top portion of the rail took the excitement away.
The scope measured 12.2inches & the rail measuring 11.5 inch did not leave much appeal.
One of the employee suggested that I can use an Aimpoint or Vortex low mount reflex optic with red dot which unfortunately don't appeal to me as I definitely need magnification when I shoot to allow me to see what I am hitting.
I have decided to wait until I come across something smaller with extra magnification for a reasonable price. Having said that, I will still keep your option as my 2nd option in case I don't come across one that I like or find beneficial to my need.
 
wojnar said:
I own one and must say they are accurate rifles
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I agree with you Wojnar.
I brought this to a group of friends who all shoot and we all did fairly well with irons and surplus ammo.
All of us started on iron sights, either No4s or FNs and on through current C7A2s.
While I won't be picking the fly droppings out of a pepper shaker with this, it can do fairly well with irons.
 
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