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luckey

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Hi, wonder if anyone could tell me what these brass are and if they are good to reload as is?

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1. the one with the red circle, it looks like berdan type of primer, but has 3 flash holes, instead of 2. are they really berdan which cannot be reloaded as is. And anyone can make out what kind of marking that is?
2. for the WMA NATO brass(WMA NATO cross 14), visually I don't see any crimp at all. does it mean it was reloaded before because all the NATO rounds are supposed to come with the crimp?


Thanks
 
1.Those are steel, berdan primed cases from barnel.

You could reload. But it would be a real pain and it's not like 9mm is hard to find.

2.those are Winchester match cases if I recall correctly. Reload away.
 
Wow! Spawn-Inc, for 1, you are so right! It never crossed my mind to use my magnet because my club doesn't allow anything steel. somebody must either not know the rules, or just used it anyway. do you recognize the manufacture marking? just curious.
I am not going to go against my club's rule to use steels anyway.
for 2, not sure it's match ammo. online, from the posts dated 2014 which is the year the ammo was first made(hence the 14 mark), people in US was talking about buying them from Walmart, and some talked about problem with sitting due to the crimp which is why I asked this question here because the brass itself looks very good quality, I would like to save them if possible, without the time-consuming swage process. Purely from my visual inspection as shown in the picture, it doesn't look like there is a crimp.
However, given I am new to reload, I would like to verify my check, or is the crimp only visible AFTER deprime? Thanks.

Spawn-Inc said:
1.Those are steel, berdan primed cases from barnel.

You could reload. But it would be a real pain and it's not like 9mm is hard to find.

2.those are Winchester match cases if I recall correctly. Reload away.
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luckey said:
Wow! Spawn-Inc, for 1, you are so right! It never crossed my mind to use my magnet because my club doesn't allow anything steel. somebody must either not know the rules, or just used it anyway. do you recognize the manufacture marking? just curious.
I am not going to go against my club's rule to use steels anyway.
for 2, not sure it's match ammo. online, from the posts dated 2014 which is the year the ammo was first made(hence the 14 mark), people in US was talking about buying them from Walmart, and some talked about problem with sitting due to the crimp which is why I asked this question here because the brass itself looks very good quality, I would like to save them if possible, without the time-consuming swage process. Purely from my visual inspection as shown in the picture, it doesn't look like there is a crimp.
However, given I am new to reload, I would like to verify my check, or is the crimp only visible AFTER deprime? Thanks.
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I misspelt the name of the manufacturer, it's barnaul ammo. Steel cased and a bimetal jacket for the bullets, typically.


As for the other stuff your correct, it's got the same stamp as this, http://www.sgammo.com/product/winchester/500-round-case-9mm-nato-124-grain-winchester-mil-spec-ammo-q4318
I've reloaded it before and can't recall any issues with it. S&b has tight primer pockets, but even then I don't stage them.
 
thanks. I will give them a try. worst case waste a few primers. then i just throw out the brass which is free anyway while the primers are not. :)

Spawn-Inc said:
I misspelt the name of the manufacturer, it's barnaul ammo. Steel cased and a bimetal jacket for the bullets, typically.


As for the other stuff your correct, it's got the same stamp as this, http://www.sgammo.com/product/winchester/500-round-case-9mm-nato-124-grain-winchester-mil-spec-ammo-q4318
I've reloaded it before and can't recall any issues with it. S&b has tight primer pockets, but even then I don't stage them.
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With the 9mm Luger stamp, it's commercial. Can't make out the head stamp, but it might be Israeli. Very much a wild, hairy, guess.
Not all the NATO rounds come with a crimp. And anything Berdan primed is more trouble than it's worth to reload. If you can find Berdan primers.
 
Just to be clear, if those are Berdan primed you won't be able to size/deprime without breaking your decapping pin. Also I highly doubt anyone in your club cares if the cases are steel. It is steel core bullets that are the issue. No one cares what cases you use. Or if they do they are complete idiots.
 
Suputin said:
Just to be clear, if those are Berdan primed you won't be able to size/deprime without breaking your decapping pin. Also I highly doubt anyone in your club cares if the cases are steel. It is steel core bullets that are the issue. No one cares what cases you use. Or if they do they are complete idiots.
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You would think thats the issue, I took some 7.62x39 rounds and changed the bullets to soft points so i could shoot them at my club. At the club i was asked what i was shooting and presented the round so it could be tested. To my shock i was told it stuck to a magnet and could not be used. I tried for 5 min to explain the bullet is lead and to test the bullet not the case, answer was NO.

The next time i went to the club i had the gunsmith cut a bullet in half to prove it wasn’t steel, and it was the owner who said no by the way not the folks who work there.
 
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