How come we never see any real SUT/LI training with SKS's ?
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An SKS is more than $400 in the US from what I read in forums!
BTW, where are all the $200 ChiCom SKS?
Exactly infidel29 !
I have a lot of the kool kid guns, the kool kid rigs and a good bit of the kool kid training. SKS's are about my 4th or 5th backup option but I tell ya, if someone had a good SKS course I'd consider taking the damn thing.
The point is all this stuff adds up in cost real fast. And just maybe a guy CAN afford a few hundred dollars for a course now and then but can't afford the latest greatest Canadian Colt.
Think a little down the road guys, you just might need these people because at the end of the day you're cannon fodder just as much as anyone else no matter what gear and training you have.
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Exactly. The cost to run these courses, or to participate in them cost more than your average run of the mill SKS.
$150 rifle. Check. $400 and up for a basic course. Check. Several hundred for sufficient ammo. Check.
Wishing you brought a modern rifle to your modern training class. Priceless.
Considering you can find try level AR15 rifles for around $500, there is no reason one can't have a modern platform.
SKS, introduced into service in 1949: Age old relic.
AR15, introduced into service in 1958: Modern platform.
Oh, how rapidly technology evolved in those 9 years.
Off topic: What is the point in all this tactical training and training classes? Why not just join the reserves or a militia. This new trend of civilian Rambo culture is silly to me. What is more silly is that "training" with 5 round magazines isn't going to help you in a SHTF scenario when you instinctively drop the magazine to reload after 5 and your antagonist keeps firing from his unpenned magazine.
SKS, introduced into service in 1949: Age old relic.
AR15, introduced into service in 1958: Modern platform.
Oh, how rapidly technology evolved in those 9 years.
Off topic: What is the point in all this tactical training and training classes? Why not just join the reserves or a militia. This new trend of civilian Rambo culture is silly to me. What is more silly is that "training" with 5 round magazines isn't going to help you in a SHTF scenario when you instinctively drop the magazine to reload after 5 and your antagonist keeps firing from his unpenned magazine.
nice to see I'm not the only one recommending the reserves. Not only do you get the current C7/C8 the Miltiary uses, but they PAY you to train. And all you have to do is show up 1 weekend a month and a couple Tuesdays
I've seen the videos of courses with 'squads' doing their thing, everyone still acted like an individual and acted alone for the most part.
People need to trust their fellow rifleman and fireteam partner. You won't get that trust from a weekend course.
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SKS, introduced into service in 1949: Age old relic.
AR15, introduced into service in 1958: Modern platform.
Oh, how rapidly technology evolved in those 9 years.
Off topic: What is the point in all this tactical training and training classes? Why not just join the reserves or a militia. This new trend of civilian Rambo culture is silly to me. What is more silly is that "training" with 5 round magazines isn't going to help you in a SHTF scenario when you instinctively drop the magazine to reload after 5 and your antagonist keeps firing from his unpenned magazine.
It did. The jump in technology after ww2 was extremely fast. The SKS design was presented in 1945, after several prototypes evolved through the 1930s. The ak47, ar15 and even the hk G3 line rapidly developed from the concepts conceived and put into reality with the stg44 and prototype stg45 rifles. Rifles like the SKS and vz52 were transitional, short lived and quickly surpassed by a better design.
Age does not negate "modern" or current trends. Some still consider the 1911 a modern design due to it being a forward thinking design. It's features are still utilized in modern, new designs.
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Hey, it works for the Rangers and their Enfields. But Enfield drill is not the same as modern CQB drills.
I mean, why not a tactical course for all those guys that only have a muzzle loader still. Senica runs for every day survival. Hawk and knife throwing included.
Different tech requires different training applications.
Do we have militia???
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I'm sure the skills gained from shooting and getting practice with an sks is somewhat transferable to any other rifle... why not get lots of practice shooting something that won't break the bank? you still learn about aiming and how to use the iron sights. limitations of that caliber... I think that HAS to be better than having no exp and then just being given a gun and told to go at er...
An SKS is just as lethal as any other gun.
If someone wants to run it, there is nothing stopping them.
you could do a custom course, there are companies out there that will run a course for any weapon you want, The basics never change.
If someone wants to run it, there is nothing stopping them.
you could do a custom course, there are companies out there that will run a course for any weapon you want, The basics never change.
Tactics are tactics- regardless of the rifle you use. When you learn and understand small unit tactics you can really use whatever you want in terms of firepower. Tactics remain the same most of the time.
What changes is your comfort level with the firearms you're using. That, however, is relatively easy to overcome in a real world scenario if you are a half decent shooter. Firearms all act in similar fashions, so the things that change are merely the styling and positioning of controls.
I can easily see why the SKS platform is not a common one is western "tactical" environments. It's heavy, clunky, and compared to an AR15, less accurate. Over time it'll wear you out faster as well. My choice any day would be an AR15. With this in mind though, you could still run an SKS in a tactical situation/course if you really wanted to. Comes down to personal choice.
What changes is your comfort level with the firearms you're using. That, however, is relatively easy to overcome in a real world scenario if you are a half decent shooter. Firearms all act in similar fashions, so the things that change are merely the styling and positioning of controls.
I can easily see why the SKS platform is not a common one is western "tactical" environments. It's heavy, clunky, and compared to an AR15, less accurate. Over time it'll wear you out faster as well. My choice any day would be an AR15. With this in mind though, you could still run an SKS in a tactical situation/course if you really wanted to. Comes down to personal choice.
