- Mint new m96 mauser -

Fred24

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Hey guys, I would have the opportunity to buy a 1919 m96 swedish mauser later this summer. It's a mint all matching piece that has never been fired at all ! Still in factory grease. The bore looks perfect and is filled with grease. It has a nice walnut stock and has no scratches on it. It comes with the bayonet and the frog.

The guy is asking 500$

In my opinion it's worth it but could anyone tell the real value of a perfect unissued m96 like this ?



Thanks

Fredj
 
500 seems fair as it's got bayo & frog as well. Mid to upper range Swede's roll about 350 - 400 IIRC
Unissued is a matter of opinion, tough to get provenance on that IMO
 
I wouldn't take it on the grounds that it's unfired/unissued, but if it's in that nice of shape and includes all the kit, $500 is a steal
 
How do you know the bore is perfect if it's full of grease?
While it seems unlikely it was never issued or fired, it could be in very nice shape, I have seen 96's you would have thought were new. The Swedes apparently really looked after their stuff.
I don't think $500 is unreasonable.
In any case, you'll be happy with that rifle. The fit, finish and overall quality of these rifles is outstanding, miles above the Russian junk you seem to see everywhere nowadays.
 
It would be worth seeing with a walnut stock, I've only seen beech-stocked m/96 rifles.

My own 1898 m/96 - serial 896 - has a beech stock, BTW.

Does it have a threaded muzzle? If not, then it's likely never to have been in military service, but in the Swedish civilian marksmanship programme.

tac
 
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Some of the rifles that originally came into the Country during the late 1970s and the 1980s were like new. The Swedes were changing over to a more modern rifle, and these older m/96 rifles were from Arsenal and Reserve stores.

A threaded barrel muzzle indicates a 1955 or later rebarreling or modification. A NEW rifle should have a stock disk that has NO punch mark for barrel condition. Stock disks MAY give an indication of the barrel, but some unscrupulous individuals have been known to change them with one that shows a better condition than the original ----easily done with a screw driver.

A rifle before 1915 should have a Walnut stock. Some rifles between 1915 and 1918 have other types of wood. After 1918, Beech was used for stocks. I would check further if the rifle has a 1919 date and a Walnut stock, Both the stock and the handguard should have the same serial number as the rifle. ALL numbers should match if the rifle is a "mint, matching" piece.

Turn the rifle upside down, and look at the area at the wrist of the stock, between the butt plate and the trigger guard. What markings or stamps are there? Does the Bayonet number match the rifle number? Any other Unit markings on the bayonet? Does the Frog (the leather hanger) on the bayonet have one loop or is it split into two loops?

All of this affects the value.

Like anything else that there are questions of identification or condition, PICTURES are the best way to get an accurate answer.

I agree with TOKGUY's post as to the values and as TACFOLEY notes, he has a 1898 rifle with a beech stock ---a replacement Beech stock that, if the numbers match, is an Arsenal replacement. The Swedes had an inspection program, and rifles were reconditioned regularly.
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kawicrash said:
How do you know the bore is perfect if it's full of grease?
While it seems unlikely it was never issued or fired, it could be in very nice shape, I have seen 96's you would have thought were new. The Swedes apparently really looked after their stuff.
I don't think $500 is unreasonable.
In any case, you'll be happy with that rifle. The fit, finish and overall quality of these rifles is outstanding, miles above the Russian junk you seem to see everywhere nowadays.
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That's right - you can't say the bore's "perfect" until it's clean. The stock disc is not reliable either.

If it's as nice as you say, $500 is an ok price. Without pics however, we can't say if there is additional value in it, e.g. Range Plate, Vasteras Rear Sight Insert, etc.

I have M96's stocked in Walnut, Beech, Elm and Maple.
 
Thanks guys ! The stock disc was punched over the 1 so it should indicate a really good bore. The old man who has it says he got it in the 70s ans never shot it. He got it personally from an importer.

Heaven with a bit of grease in the barrel I can see some parts or lt very clearely and it looks perfect.

The seriel number on all the parts is 00. I don't remember the full one on the receiver though.

I'll post the only picture I could get of it. You'll be able to tell me if it's walnut or not.




Thanks !
 
Well if the disc is stamped over the 1 and is original to the rifle the "unissued/mint" description does not apply.
 
Fred24 said:
Thanks guys ! The stock disc was punched over the 1 so it should indicate a really good bore. The old man who has it says he got it in the 70s ans never shot it. He got it personally from an importer.

Heaven with a bit of grease in the barrel I can see some parts or lt very clearely and it looks perfect.

The seriel number on all the parts is 00. I don't remember the full one on the receiver though.

I'll post the only picture I could get of it. You'll be able to tell me if it's walnut or not.




Thanks !
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To me, this would just indicate it hasn't been fired since being imported into Canada. Before that, the story is unknown but the punch mark over the "1" indicates it has seen use.
 
So it means it's been shot already ? Anyway is 500$ too high for a nice rifle like this with the bayo ? I just don't want to loose money by buying it.
 
I don't think you will lose money if you keep it for a while....I don't know how quickly it would sell on the EE for $500 right now. You can always offer him less...
 
Prices on the EE are usually lower ( more competition ) than they are in person.
Swede's are the undervalued gems that folks will fondly reminisce of in years to come..."Remember when you could get a Swede for 400 $!"
As a Flatlander; the 6.5 X 55 is a superior cartridge loading than an 8 X 57 IMO.
On an average they are better built than most of the Axis offerings...again, IMO
Ballistic-ally they are quite an underrated round, if you reload you can really make it shine. The factory fodder is dialed back substantially in most instances.
 
buffdog said:
...TACFOLEY notes, he has a 1898 rifle with a beech stock ---a replacement Beech stock that, if the numbers match, is an Arsenal replacement. The Swedes had an inspection program, and rifles were reconditioned regularly..
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Yup. I know that mine is not original, as it has the Carlsborg arsenal stamp under the wrist denoting a visit there for a new stock. My disc is totally blank, a simple brass disc, but my bore slugs 6.51 at either end. My rifle is also threaded.

The Swedish stocks were deliberately rough-finished to facilitate grip in the arctic conditions. Original rifles would often show coarse rasp/file-marks. NOT sloppy work, I must emphasize. Also, the original stocks were made at least 1.5mm 'proud' of the metalwork to facilitate refinishing without replacement - at least once. Any sign of flush metal-to-wood is the indication of some kind of stock refurb/sanding, and the actual finish was simply BLO.

tac
 
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tokguy said:
Prices on the EE are usually lower ( more competition ) than they are in person.
Swede's are the undervalued gems that folks will fondly reminisce of in years to come..."Remember when you could get a Swede for 400 $!"
As a Flatlander; the 6.5 X 55 is a superior cartridge loading than an 8 X 57 IMO.
On an average they are better built than most of the Axis offerings...again, IMO
Ballistic-ally they are quite an underrated round, if you reload you can really make it shine. The factory fodder is dialed back substantially in most instances.
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In 1990, whilst on exercise in Normark, there was a noticeable lack of snow. As a result, a few of us got together with our part-time guides and went Elg-culling, since that's what three of the four of them did anyhow as a principal wage-earner.

The first afternoon out, with an m/38 converted from a 1919 Carl Gustaf m/96, I dropped an 1100 pound elg in its hoofprints with a single shot of Norma 140gr Corlokt. It was panting and showing its ribs, and would not have survived the winter.

The 9.3mm in various guises may have taken over for the most part, but that little 139/140gr bullet still works wonders.

tac
 
Here's the only kind of bad picture I have... You'll be able to see the wood type though. I think it's walnut but not 100% sure.

 
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