NFA Petition to de-restrict ARs and eliminate 5 round mags for semis

LuckyOnes said:
Hate to be Debbie downer here boys but 30,000ppl is a very small percentage of PAL Holders.

Total is 1,989,181 ... So 1.5 % of gun license holders would like to see mag limits changed and AR re-classified.
Well the NDP took over Alberta, so I guess if he'll can freeze over, maybe pigs can fly too.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/facts-faits/index-eng.htm


Adding in : 0.5% of the population have licenses, and 1.5 % of them want a change.
Hardly a game changer to any politician
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72,000 signatures on an online petition to end taxes on tampons prompted debate in the House of Commons this week. Its a game-changer if a politician wants a cause.
 
To those of us who got off our butts and got some signatures, well done. It's unfortunate that the government has some of us so convinced that we won't be able to change things.
 
I fully agree with this, but "Cutting off the nose to spite the face" eeek.
burnt_servo said:
my thinking when I heard that was , what else has the nfa cost us ?

how many good hard working people have gone from passionate supporters , to being so frustrated that they say screw it , I want nothing to do with it .......

as a firearms community we have to seriously think about the dead weight we are shackled with .... having a national org that say they represent us ,but then implodes in disgrace every couple of years , is not putting our best foot forward .

firearms owners are a honorable bunch , we deserve ( and maybe should start to demand ) a honorable org to represent us ......
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xdmer said:
I fully agree with this, but "Cutting off the nose to spite the face" eeek.
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what can I say , he drank the koolaid and tied up his self worth and reputation with the org ...... he was behind them 110% , lived, breathed and ate it .
and was crushed when things hit the fan .

in a round about way what I'm trying to get at , if it could happen to one person , it has happened to others . whether physical signatures or the loss of support that would have gotten physical signatures .

if things where handled slightly differently , that 30,000 sigs could have easily been 300,000 ..............
 
doc25 said:
To those of us who got off our butts and got some signatures, well done. It's unfortunate that the government has some of us so convinced that we won't be able to change things.
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I think it's funny that people still think putting their names on a sheet will do anything.

Edit: you also have this backwards. The government counts on people to petition to feel as if they are doing something "democratic". To put it bluntly, your government officials care less about you then they do of their dogs.
 
Bracketman said:
I think it's funny that people still think putting their names on a sheet will do anything.

Edit: you also have this backwards. The government counts on people to petition to feel as if they are doing something "democratic". To put it bluntly, your government officials care less about you then they do of their dogs.
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I respect your opinion.

I agree with you that the government cares very little about us other than the tax dollars we generate. The petition is a start. Maybe next demonstrations? At some point if we demand that action be taken loud enough they can/may capitulate to our demands. If we do not demand the change then nothing will change, it's actually that simple.
 
IIRC, the idea of petitions is that it's generally held that for each person who signs a petition, another 10 in the population feel the same way. Thus, the goal of 200,000 signatures was to show that 2 million Canadians feel these changes are needed.

Two million people is a HUGE proportion of our population, voting-wise, and shows a group that is ignored at the government's peril.

If I'm not mistaken, petitions of a specific size MUST be presented to Parliament, by law, and cannot simply be ignored. I don't know if we even came close to that number, though.
 
Two million people is a HUGE proportion of our population, voting-wise, and shows a group that is ignored at the government's peril.
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At the very least, right now - we're anonymous/unknown.
Soon, we'll be 30,000 individuals who have a voice, and they'll know it. The government may not be forced to act, but they'll know we're out there.
Better than nothing.

I don't know about the rest of Canada, but the winter is pretty slack for gun shows and gatherings, we've could of done better. Hard to hunt down people who are working, while you're working, and from minutes to hours away from you.
 
mh434 said:
IIRC, the idea of petitions is that it's generally held that for each person who signs a petition, another 10 in the population feel the same way. Thus, the goal of 200,000 signatures was to show that 2 million Canadians feel these changes are needed.

Two million people is a HUGE proportion of our population, voting-wise, and shows a group that is ignored at the government's peril.

If I'm not mistaken, petitions of a specific size MUST be presented to Parliament, by law, and cannot simply be ignored. I don't know if we even came close to that number, though.
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I believe you're correct.

Over a certain number of signatures (which these petitions reached), it MUST be presented to Parliament and the Government MUST respond is the way I understand it
 
burnt_servo said:
interesting thing ....
I know of a guy who had gotten several pages of signatures ( a thickness of 1/4 to 3/8 " ) and was ready to send them in , then the nfa melted down .
basically the whole situation pissed him off so much he set fire to the papers and will have nothing to do with them anymore .
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You should kick him in the balls on my personnal behalf...

NFA is going thru a rough time, hopefully things get better, but that wasn't a good reason to do what he did...
 
it was a good effort but 30 000 although nothing to scoff at, its still a very low quite insignificant number counting 2 000 000 licensed firearms owners.
 
I read the post on Facebook. Have to be honest we ran a sheet or 6 around the area, but to have them come on Facebook and immediately loose his #### that we only got 30k and that no one helped out left a sour taste in my mouth. If that is the kind of leadership we can expect from the nfa I don't think it's worth the support
 
the OP is from Quebec, so 30k signature is A LOT considering in which province he operated. Good job man !!!

And lets not talk about the NFA right now... as long as the whole SC deal is dealt with properly at least... I cant wait to here about the AGM in QC next week lolll
 
abbadon said:
I read the post on Facebook. Have to be honest we ran a sheet or 6 around the area, but to have them come on Facebook and immediately loose his #### that we only got 30k and that no one helped out left a sour taste in my mouth. If that is the kind of leadership we can expect from the nfa I don't think it's worth the support
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Who did this? I left the main NFA facebook page cause it was a #### show.
 
DT741 said:
the OP is from Quebec, so 30k signature is A LOT considering in which province he operated. Good job man !!!

And lets not talk about the NFA right now... as long as the whole SC deal is dealt with properly at least... I cant wait to here about the AGM in QC next week lolll
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The NFA petition was nation wide, not just Quebec. I just repeated what I read on their FB page, and I happen to be in Quebec for the present.
 
Ah nevermind, misread the first post

I'm glad I got rid of facebook... The NFA facebook page is a real ####show since, you know, SC...

So 30 000 signatures total ? Thats seems pretty low, I got a total of 645 myself and that wasn't hard at all
 
Didn't even realize there was a petition going around for it. Lots of Alberta guys work away from home. I would have signed it as well. 30k is low.....but in 4 months that is decent. If t would have ran a year and been better publicized, you would have had over 200k I bet.
 
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