Range report in Chile (pretty IPSC-oriented)

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As some of you know, I recently moved to South America. Been here about a week and a half and due to some moving delays, I had this weekend open so I decided to swing by the local club that I'm planning to join. Another CGNer is already a member and he got me in touch with the folk down there. Been following them on their FB page for a while so it was good to actually meet some of the folk I only saw in photos and videos.

The club is called Tralkan (means "thunder" in one of their First Nations' languages). It's got 15 action ranges (most are pretty short and the longest one goes out to 90yds, but it can be extended another 170 for after-hours shooting and special events). More than good enough for pistol, shotgun and rimfire rifle matches (crappy thing about their laws is that you can't have semiauto centerfire rifles). The steel has seen better days so a few bits and pieces came back our way but we shrugged that off and focused on having fun. It's located about 30km away from Santiago (the capital) and you have to take a dirt road to access it, so it's good to have a ute/cute/truck, especially in the winter when they get a bit of rain.

The region is very small. My Canadian club has more IPSC shooters than the entire region, but most of the members train seriously. Their RD is heavily involved in developing and coaching the local shooters and it shows in their skillset. On average, a typical Chilean IPSC shooter is better than your typical member of our region, but Canada's a bigger pond, so at the very top level, of course we could send some guys who'd clean up in these parts. They are also big on developing the youth, so I saw a handful of 12-16 year old shooters out there (one of which I'd rather not go up against with money on the line lol). The range etiquette is similar to ours, such as "if you're not shooting, you're patching" and no yapping while the shooter's doing his/her thing.

2 of the shooters let me play with their Austrian Barbies. Loading those last 7rds into the mags may have been physically challenging without my Maglula, but it felt liberating :evil: Those that know me, know that I'm a pretty unenthusiastic pistol shooter, but I was safe and showed a respectable level of proficiency, so the tips were more along the lines of "you're riding the slide a bit" and "you should speed up your transitions" as opposed to "Whisky-Tango-Foxtrot gave YOU a gun?!" :cool: Now, they at least know that we don't raise dummies in Canada (and there are plenty of people "back home" who deserve tons of gratitude for helping me get up to this level).

We didn't take any pics, but when there are some, I'll post them up. Hopefully with some Mini Rifle match video. My rifle shooting has been more along the lines of basic skills development and some 3gun, so I'll have to put in some IPSC-specific practice time. At least I'll have great facilities for it. I may have posted this before, but here's some drone/match footage of the club :


P.S. On the topic of youth development. I'd love to see more of that going on in Canada, along the lines of what they're doing here in Chile and the videos I've seen from Moldova. That's the only way we can develop top-class talent.
 
Glad to hear you are getting some trigger time in South America!

Thanks. After 2 weeks I was getting withdrawal symptoms lol

By the way, I've been thinking about yesterday some more and a couple of things came to me...

What they really got going for them are the lack of an endless suburbia, so they can secure enough land 30km from their capital, which, the size of Toronto and Montreal combined, holds half of their population. As you can see from the video, while they get hassled more in almost every respect, their equivalent of the CFO isn't giving them constant prostate exams in terms of range design.

Imagine that... A 15 range club, where anything but action shooting is only an afterthought. A couple of those in Canada would do wonders for the Canadian action shooting community. The idea has been kicked around the ON section (IPSC) but nothing came of it. But you guys know how things are, generally speaking, "back home".. We're lucky to get a couple of hours a week for the sport and have to fellate the BoD to be able to throw a couple of matches a year.

Top level competitors are actively and regularly involved in developing their youth and their low/middle level competitors. The wider the base, the taller the tower. They also run regular training sessions, open to all the members, instead of focusing on informal mini-matches.

Additional observation from following what's happening in other regions... I see very few team shirts in Ontario (which makes up about 1/2 of Canada's action shooters). Where teams are prevalent, you have a tight group of friends you train with regularly. They drive you to get better relative to them (can't help the fact that you wanna do better than your buddy) and you're all working together on beating the other teams out there. Unsurprisingly, some of the best shooters I've come across in Canada are members of teams. Even if you just get a few friends together and stink up the place, while wearing goofy team shirts, that's a good start. Eventually, you'll improve a lot faster than you would on your own and those goofy shirts will be attached to a respectable skill level.

While they do introductory courses for competitors, having a holster cert is not a requirement to compete. It's handled informally. The only reason I got my BB was because I knew I was moving into an almost exclusively IPSC-oriented region. The instructions regularly given to people considering taking the BB course were: "Get 1000rds through your gun so you're familiar with it and then take the course". That way I developed lots of bad habits (the worst one of which was shooting with 1 eye closed) before I even got into the game and needed a lot of range and dryfire time, over several months, to correct some of them (still not staging the trigger right). I still remember the pain I saw on my BB instructor's face as I took the first 10-15 shots during the course. Nowadays it's even harder, requiring a stronger shooting background that the competitor is automagically supposed to develop and having to pass an even more difficult series of tests. Over here, they may get into it with a lower skill level but they gain access to proper guidance a lot sooner, so there are fewer bad habits to develop once they learn a thing or two.
 
You could have put rounds downrange after taking a beginner's training course. I believe they want you to have some rounds downrange so they can concentrate on the skills and drills BB was developed for not training a new shooter.
 
Are you allowed to bring your own guns into the country or did you sell yours before you moved and will buy new ones down there?
What are the Chilean gun laws like? Do they allow CC? Easy access to ammo? Cost of guns?

I am allowed to, but had to do a 22LR AR build as they don't allow centerfire rifles in semiauto at all. The Shadow and the Supernova, no problems. There's some good and some bad when it comes to the local gun laws...

The good: If you're a sport shooter, ATT is pretty liberal (in a good way) and automatic. No mag capacity laws, so the Tanfoglio mags are definitely gonna get a date with either the needle point Vise Grips or the drill. The laws are in the flux but there is some indication that CC may become a civil offence instead of a criminal offence for licensed sport shooters. The way the law is currently applied, they'd arrest you, charge you and throw out the charges. You can purchase guns to defend your home and/or place of business. No need for locked cases or trigger locks, just unloaded, in a bag. No needs for safes and you can have a nightstand gun.

The bad: Sport shooters are limited to 8 guns without additional licensing, which is difficult. Reloading is also a bunch of red tape before you can do it. Just about everything is twice as expensive as in Canada, but I can get ammo through the club at costs that are on the par as what I was getting through a reasonably priced commercial reloader in the Cambridge area (the locals know who I'm talking about lol). Mags, barrels and optical sights (including dots) are regulated. For home defence you can only have 200rds at home, while sport shooters can only have 1000, limited to the calibres of the guns you already own. All guns are registered.

Better to get ammo through the club since it's cheaper and more suitable for action shooting. Better off buying accessories from places like Brownells and Zahal even though their duties are pretty hefty. 19%... Their couriers are as nasty as ours, so always better to ship via the postal service whenever possible.

tomo333 said:
You could have put rounds downrange after taking a beginner's training course. I believe they want you to have some rounds downrange so they can concentrate on the skills and drills BB was developed for not training a new shooter.

So you're saying that you need to take a training course before taking a beginner training course for IPSC? I'm sorry, but even living in Canada, I would have been laughing my butt off at that.

Yes, there are definite benefits to taking the BB course. The instruction is great no matter what your skill level is like going in and I've met some great friends in that course. However, the skills obtained via the pre-training and BB courses can be obtained in other, informal ways. Bottom line is that we're setting the bar too high and I'm sure we're missing out on people who could have brought a lot to the sport.
 
I didn't say you "need" to take training course before BB. You mentioned you picked up bad habits. ONE way to avoid that is to take a beginner's course but not the only way. It is stressed with the BB course that you are to have some experience with your firearm before learning some of the basics of "the game". Again I think the BB course is so they can insure that each shooter is at least up to a minimum standard before they can shoot a competition.
 
Damn, my dad lives just outside of Santiago, and I go down and visit him once in a while. I'm going to have to look into this place and what's involved in bringing a pistol or something down. Very cool
 
Damn, my dad lives just outside of Santiago, and I go down and visit him once in a while. I'm going to have to look into this place and what's involved in bringing a pistol or something down. Very cool

From what a buddy told me, temporary import is reasonably easy, but you'd need a match invite or something along those lines. Permanent import is more of a hassle.
 
I didn't say you "need" to take training course before BB. You mentioned you picked up bad habits. ONE way to avoid that is to take a beginner's course but not the only way. It is stressed with the BB course that you are to have some experience with your firearm before learning some of the basics of "the game". Again I think the BB course is so they can insure that each shooter is at least up to a minimum standard before they can shoot a competition.

Point taken. The problem is that most of us are working in the dark before actually getting into the game and learning from the insiders. I'm way past that stage now but at the time all I could do was buy 1500rds of whitebox, ineffectively burn through 1000 and hope for the best, barely passing the less difficult BB course. Most pistol training courses aren't tailored toward an action shooting competitor, so they will pound some bad habits into them that they'll need to work through before they can start developing their skills in our direction. Getting involved with the new shooters early and being less formal about having a piece of paper just seems more effective to me. Works in the martial arts world as well. While they have their pretty coloured belts, the sensei/sifu/saseong is the one who determines whether they are ready for competition. No need to get a special piece of paper from the governing body.
 
Thanks for the info!
Sounds like each country has their version of a dumb law. We have mag caps and the rest, and they have no centerfire semis!
200rds of ammo if you're not a sport shooter?? Seriously?
Enjoy your stay! Palm trees are a nice change from Ontario winters!
 
Thanks for the info!
Sounds like each country has their version of a dumb law. We have mag caps and the rest, and they have no centerfire semis!
200rds of ammo if you're not a sport shooter?? Seriously?
Enjoy your stay! Palm trees are a nice change from Ontario winters!

Yep... Even in the US, you have states I'd rather not visit with guns... Commiefornia and the Socialist State of New York come to mind. The 2nd also doesn't protect them from a lot of the NFA crap, regardless of the state they live in. Actually I like Canadian winters better. The heat's better. Will have to go shopping for a couple of kerosene space heaters when we finally move into our condo lol
 
Yep... Even in the US, you have states I'd rather not visit with guns... Commiefornia and the Socialist State of New York come to mind. The 2nd also doesn't protect them from a lot of the NFA crap, regardless of the state they live in. Actually I like Canadian winters better. The heat's better. Will have to go shopping for a couple of kerosene space heaters when we finally move into our condo lol
My favorite states to move to, if I were ever so inclined, would be Washington and Utah. Minimum humidity and ok winters.
You must have moved to the Chilean highlands? What's the crime like in your area?
 
My favorite states to move to, if I were ever so inclined, would be Washington and Utah. Minimum humidity and ok winters.
You must have moved to the Chilean highlands? What's the crime like in your area?

I'm in Santiago but currently staying in a home with a courtyard that's well shaded, plus the mountain isn't helping either.. Our condo building is more exposed to the Sun, which will be a major bonus for Mr. "+40 is always better than -40" (me). Got 24hr security and the laws here allow me to ensure that if the security fails, the chalk outlines are the correct shapes (not ours) ;)
 
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