arcticcathonda
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I was being sarcastic, sorry.
Remington 700P LTR vs Tikka T3 Tactical
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I was being sarcastic, sorry.
arcticcathonda
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Just pick whatever you will be happiest with.
.223 - The AI .223 mags give it away.
They do make the T3 Varmint, Sporter and CTR in .260. Finding one in Canada is another story. The common chamberings are in short enough supply. You may wish to look in the US, or just rebarrel one already in .308 bolt face.
Tikka all the way. Stronger action, far superior craftsmanship. I spent $300 on my 700 barreled action just to make it as good as a Tikka, because at the time Tikka didn't make the barrel length/twist/profile I wanted. Really no comparison. Don't let the lore fool you; all an LTR is, is an everyday 700 with parkerizing instead of bluing and a shorter barrel, but way more expensive than an SPS Varmint.
The tikka tac barrels and the tikka varmint/ctr barrels do not appear to be equal.
I've had both in .223, and the tac outshoots the varmint by a noticeable margin. Same deal with my buddies .308 tac vs his standard t3 .308...
I'd rebarrel a .308 bolt face with a high end blank, as has been suggested, before jumping on the 20" ctr .260.
Chinbullco
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I would reconsider my preference of Remington products if and when "custom action manufacturers" build a Tikka clone action. The only factory precision rifle owned is a few Remington 40X's, these would not qualify as a precision rifle today because they are single shot bolt actions. Today precision rifles need a 10-round magazine, injection molded plastic stock, and a Harris spring loaded "pogo-pod". I would rather develop loads for pure accuracy than fiddle with a round that works through a stupid magazine.
I don't think anyone's asking you to reconsider your preference; all of us have different requirements and needs and budgets. What you arrive at as a preference to meet those needs is unique to you. Which again speaks to different tools for different jobs - a single shot rifle built for ultimate precision is going to be awfully useless to a sniper (who probably quite appreciates his stupid magazines), or to anyone competing in practical precision matches. What you like isn't necessarily going to be what everyone else likes, or even finds suitable. But I mean, if you want to answer the question "which is the overall better rifle: the 700P LTR or the T3 Tac?" with "a custom 700 clone action with an aftermarket barrel," I'm not sure that answers the question. Or helps the OP.
Chinbullco
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I like the Remington 700. Not saying its great in factory form. The only Tikka rifles I owned were models bought new in the 70's and 80's. They were good rifles and shot well. Reciever was smooth to operate, barrels shot good. My preference for Rem rifles is based on the huge amount of aftermarket parts and pieces available. Probably won't be buying another factory rifle, but will build another two or three F-open competition rifles, on Rem 700's or clones thereof.
If you want a rifle to shoot as it is without mods either rifle will suit you well. The current Remington Corp owners have no respect for the brand, its reputation, and its history and their products have suffered quality issues. If I was buying a factory rifle and had no mods planned for it, and if I didn't require outstanding accuracy i would consider a Tikka,
I like the Remington 700. Not saying its great in factory form. The only Tikka rifles I owned were models bought new in the 70's and 80's. They were good rifles and shot well. Reciever was smooth to operate, barrels shot good. My preference for Rem rifles is based on the huge amount of aftermarket parts and pieces available. Probably won't be buying another factory rifle, but will build another two or three F-open competition rifles, on Rem 700's or clones thereof.
If you want a rifle to shoot as it is without mods either rifle will suit you well. The current Remington Corp owners have no respect for the brand, its reputation, and its history and their products have suffered quality issues. If I was buying a factory rifle and had no mods planned for it, and if I didn't require outstanding accuracy i would consider a Tikka,
There is so much online hate for Remingtons. Remington makes a fine rifle and always has.
The LTR is an excellent rifle for a 'do everything'. It has a great stock, and a fair sized short barrel. I would buy the LTR and use the $400 towards sending it to Tactical Ordnance to be Coated and bedded. While you are waiting, by a some decent glass and rings and a rail. If budget allows, go Nightforce all around (Probably another brand that is now 'trendy' to talk bad about).
When you are done, enjoy your rifle and be sure to have a chuckle at all those people with their Savages and Tikkas that will continue to try and convince you your 700 is deceiving you with accuracy and reliability.
The LTR is an excellent rifle for a 'do everything'. It has a great stock, and a fair sized short barrel. I would buy the LTR and use the $400 towards sending it to Tactical Ordnance to be Coated and bedded. While you are waiting, by a some decent glass and rings and a rail. If budget allows, go Nightforce all around (Probably another brand that is now 'trendy' to talk bad about).
When you are done, enjoy your rifle and be sure to have a chuckle at all those people with their Savages and Tikkas that will continue to try and convince you your 700 is deceiving you with accuracy and reliability.
There's no hate, people have just bad experiences with them because the quality control has gone down and the price keeps going up. And coat an LTR? They're parkerized just the 700P I'm fairly certain. One of the reasons you pay more for it. I just think they're 'higher end' guns are a rip off. $100 says you can make an SPS Varmint shoot every bit as good as a 700P or 5R Milspec with the same stock.
You are aware that the tikka tacticals are notorious for shooting 1/4 moa regularly, no ?
Not sure what you consider "outstanding accuracy", but 1/4 to 1/2 moa regularly certainly is in my book. No mods necessary.
My Remington 700 5r "milspec" was a fine shooter, sub moa, but not deeply sub moa, as the tikka tac has proven to be.
Tikka Tac would be my choice. It has a better barrel than the CTR/varment. It uses the Sako TRG barrel, which accounts for most of the price jump over the others. It is hammer forged which is advantageous over other manufacturing processes in that hammer forged for whatever reason allows the shooter to uses a wide range of different types of ammo, weights included without the huge change in POI you find with fine customs. This is biggest reason europeans use hammer forged for police and military use. Any one can grab the rifle, and grab any ammo and it will shoot reasonably good. This benefit is useful when you need ammo that shoots through glass, cement, shoots tracers, or whatever the intended purpose may be. You also want the first shot to go where the rest do, you know that one shot one kill thing..... hammer forged are very consistent barrels
If you want pure accuracy from hand loads then hammer forged is not the answer.
If you want to shoot factory ammo very accurately and not fuss about loads then the Tikka Tac is hard to beat, very hard to beat especially for the price.
Hammer forged barrels can easily be sub moa, some are sub sub moa.
Anyone calling hammer forged garbage is simply not educated on the value and benefit of hammer forging
If you want pure accuracy from hand loads then hammer forged is not the answer.
If you want to shoot factory ammo very accurately and not fuss about loads then the Tikka Tac is hard to beat, very hard to beat especially for the price.
Hammer forged barrels can easily be sub moa, some are sub sub moa.
Anyone calling hammer forged garbage is simply not educated on the value and benefit of hammer forging
I've owned both a T3 Sporter and an LTR, both we're great shooters. I sold both and recently bought another LTR, mostly because I get bored with guns easily and the ability to mix and match parts/components is appealing to me. The Tikka was slick and shot great but small groups unfortunately does not an interesting gun make. The aftermarket support for the 700 keeps the platform more interesting for me. If all you want is out of the box accuracy, go Tikka. If you want to fiddle and fuss and dress/undress your gun go LTR.
Patrick
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