MFS 7.62x54 soft point

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My buddy invited me for a bear hunt yesterday, so I decided to grab a box of those rounds and take my Mosin out to the woods. Never hunted bears before and I was basically just going for a ride on a quad in a beautiful day. We decided to sight the gun since I only shot Bulgarian silver tip before out of this gun. First, we are at 100 yards, 3 shots - target is virgin. Repeat again with 3 shots - still nothing. Moved to 50 yards, 3 shots out - still nothing. Switched for silver tip - bum nice group close to bullseye. Back to soft point - missed again. Moved to 25 yards, 3 shots soft point - target hit! 4 inches above bullseye!!! Crap! Rifle shoots that much higher..... Moved back to 50 yards, aimed about 8-9 inches lower than a bullseye - bum! So from 100 yards I should be aiming where? Switched back to silver tip - no problems again.
What should I do now?...
P.S. We didn't see any bears but saw a beautiful elk and 7-8 deers.
 
It shot well in my Mosins and a couple buddies snipers. But lower impact rather than higher but MOA + - 1/4" Good enough for hunting..........Harold
 
In Soviet Russia , you put barrel in vise and bend it down....


Are you talking about the 203gr? when you do shoot a bear, be sure to post the details about the damage it caused, I want to take my SVT bear hunting someday with this ammo if it works well !
 
warrenlikesboats said:
Are you talking about the 203gr? when you do shoot a bear, be sure to post the details about the damage it caused, I want to take my SVT bear hunting someday with this ammo if it works well !
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My svt 40 shoots the 203gr softpoints pretty good if you can call 4 inch groups at 100 yards good..lol

My Mosin M38 not so good..I have to set the rear sight up to 300 meters in order to get a 6 inch group at 100 yards.

I've never shot any game with this ammo but am also interested in results.
 
I might as well shoot blanks at the bear! LOL! With these results , from 100 yards, I have to aim at his toes? And don't kid yourself: I was there for " protection", not for a kill. Or, as my hunting buddy says, he needs somebody he can outrun, LOL ! Basically, was riding a shotgun with my buddy.
 
AlbertaJohn said:
My svt 40 shoots the 203gr softpoints pretty good if you can call 4 inch groups at 100 yards good..lol

My Mosin M38 not so good..I have to set the rear sight up to 300 meters in order to get a 6 inch group at 100 yards.

I've never shot any game with this ammo but am lso interested in results.
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It looks like you have an opposite effect than me: yours shoot low and mine shoots way too high? Wow!
I will try my svt-40 next time, will see how it is going to behave. What gas setting did you have her on? Mine is set at 1.3 for the silver tip rounds but I guess needs to be turned down for a heavier round?
 
I had to turn my SVT40 gas setting up when I went to heavy ball after silver tip. The 2011 stuff I have seems to not kick as hard in my Mosins as well. I think the charge may be less accounting for the need to raise the gas setting on the SVT40.
 
Lots of Mosins shoot high to begin with, but commercial loads such as MFS are loaded much hotter than surplus rounds. I have several Mosin rifles and a few them shoot really well with MFS soft points in 203gr. No problem taking down a big bear or moose.
 
Im currently running the MFS 185gr non corrosive in my SVT and im having major over gassing issues, the 147gr surplus i was using cycled just right on 1.3, the 185gr on 1.1 ejects the casings like 15+ ft , I did notice the 1.1 hole in the regulator was worn to about the same size as the 1.3 though. So ive put in a new regulator with a very tiny 1.1 hole and have yet to test it. I presume the 203gr will be much worse.

I think the bore pressure does go up with the heavier grain rounds like 185 or 203 because the expansion gas is pushing a noticeably heavier bullet. For a heavier grain round, you should have to decrease the port size in your SVT by setting the regulator to a lower number.
 
KGB2014 said:
... Switched for silver tip - bum nice group close to bullseye. Back to soft point - missed again. Moved to 25 yards, 3 shots soft point - target hit! 4 inches above bullseye!!! Crap! Rifle shoots that much higher..... Moved back to 50 yards, aimed about 8-9 inches lower than a bullseye - bum! So from 100 yards I should be aiming where? Switched back to silver tip - no problems again.
What should I do now?...
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With respect and because no-one else has raised this this yet, and at the risk of belaboring the obvious, I have to say: if you really want to use the 203gr ammo, get or rig a taller front sight. If you're shooting something with a Soviet-type round front post, you could get the Smith Sights adjustable one or just use heat-shrink-tubing to extend the existing post. The heat-shrink has the advantages of being quick, easy, and cheap, plus being easily removed if desired. If you like the heavy soft point, you can leave the rifle set up for it and work up tables of sight setting for other ammo at various ranges (I'm having a bald moment - what are these tables properly called?).

FWIW, my M39 shoots heavy bullets somewhat higher than light ones, and my hunting zero for the 203gr SPs is with the rear sight set for 175m while for Igman 150gr SPs it is 225m.

Regards,
Joel
 
Where do I get this heat shrink tubing? Oh, thank you for a tip by the way! I used the smith sight before and not a big fan of it - during the firing exercise the front post got loose and I lost it..... Had to drive home after only 30 min of fun...
 
With my scoped Mosin I go back and forth with the bulgarian light ball, chinese light ball, and MFS 203 gr sp, without sighting in. Hardly any difference at all. (at 100 yrd)
 
KGB2014 said:
Where do I get this heat shrink tubing? Oh, thank you for a tip by the way! I used the smith sight before and not a big fan of it - during the firing exercise the front post got loose and I lost it..... Had to drive home after only 30 min of fun...
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You can get heat shrink tubing in most hardware stores. I bought it from home depot. They only had it in black though.
 
Umka said:
You can get heat shrink tubing in most hardware stores. I bought it from home depot. They only had it in black though.
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I concur, although if you want to do a permanent fix knock out the sight, tap it and screw in a small bolt shaved down in narrowness and height. It will be adjustable and only takes 20 minutes to complete.
 
The sights on Nagants and other Russian rifles from that time have a tendency to shoot high. Add 100 metres onto what it says on the rear sight or figure out where to shoot or get a scope!
 
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