Difference between X-Five and Elite P226

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Quick question for all you SIG experts:

Handled a P226 X Five Short (black finish) at the club today, quite nice, feels heavy and solid. When I got home, tried to find some info on the web, no luck.. my google-fu fails me!

Whats the difference between this model, and the stainless Elite model?
 
As i understand it, the elite is a standard production gun made in the us. The x-series are semi custom guns made in germany (at least for now) and will have a high degree of fitting and finishing etc.
 
elmopuddy said:
XERXIES I did see that page, but the gun I saw was black with non-wood grips.. if specs are same then I am sold
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Not the same. There are differences among the x series guns. the short and smart is a "level 1" gun with the highest level of tune, and best adjustable SA trigger sig makes for the x-5.

Not sure exactly sure which X5 you are referring to, but i have seen a standard 4.4" black x-5 that would be the equivalent of the x-5 all-round (minus the adjustable site). the all-round is the lower end of the x-series with DA/SA and decocker, but still pretty sweet and i would take it over an elite.

Bullseye has one for a steal.

http://www.bullseyelondon.com/sig-sauer-p226-x-five-pistol-9mm-semi-auto-10-round-canada.html
 
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He shoots he scores, well played. Noticed the made in USA checkmate mags. I'm for the made in Italy mecgars myself. Haven't had bad experience with either mind you.

I normally do a grips off clean and lube before the first range trip(mag disassembly included). Tw25b grease on slide and barrel(exterior), mc2500 oil for all else.

RM
 
That is one hell of a find. It is without a doubt, a German-made X-five Short in SA/DA with Black Ilaflon finish. At first when I saw the Checkmate Magazine, I thought you got fleeced; but upon closer inspection, the frame is definitely an X-five frame and the serial number matches the slide.

I also noticed that there seems to be a Mec-Gar magazine inserted inside the gun; guessing the seller either didn't have another Mec-gar mag or kept it for themselves.

Take good care of that gun, it's super rare to find an all-steel P226 without rail. For me, the only thing that's not 100% perfect for me, is the "Exeter" import marking that's likely on the other side of that gun. ;)


Oh and to answer your question: X-Fives are way, way, way, superior to those American-made "Elites".
 
Crosswind said:
That is one hell of a find. It is without a doubt, a German-made X-five Short in SA/DA with Black Ilaflon finish. At first when I saw the Checkmate Magazine, I thought you got fleeced; but upon closer inspection, the frame is definitely an X-five frame and the serial number matches the slide.

I also noticed that there seems to be a Mec-Gar magazine inserted inside the gun; guessing the seller either didn't have another Mec-gar mag or kept it for themselves.

Take good care of that gun, it's super rare to find an all-steel P226 without rail. For me, the only thing that's not 100% perfect for me, is the "Exeter" import marking that's likely on the other side of that gun. ;)


Oh and to answer your question: X-Fives are way, way, way, superior to those American-made "Elites".
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Good eye, didn't catch the mag difference. Either way beautiful score.

RM
 
It came with 2 Mec-Gar mags, but I bought 2 USA made mags, thus the one in the picture.

So far, after 200 rounds, I am very impressed..it fits my hand better than my old fav, a Shadow with Hogue grips. I shoot it well too, sights are dead on, and almost no recoil.

My only complaint is the trigger.. long reset, then some travel before it fires.. very different then my other guns. Probably just needs SRT kit and a bit of polishing.
 
Sigs are great, for me it must be in 45, dont have use for the 9 and the 40, a 10mm maybe when they hit our market... JP.
 
Crosswind said:
That is one hell of a find. It is without a doubt, a German-made X-five Short in SA/DA with Black Ilaflon finish. At first when I saw the Checkmate Magazine, I thought you got fleeced; but upon closer inspection, the frame is definitely an X-five frame and the serial number matches the slide.

I also noticed that there seems to be a Mec-Gar magazine inserted inside the gun; guessing the seller either didn't have another Mec-gar mag or kept it for themselves.

Take good care of that gun, it's super rare to find an all-steel P226 without rail. For me, the only thing that's not 100% perfect for me, is the "Exeter" import marking that's likely on the other side of that gun. ;)


Oh and to answer your question: X-Fives are way, way, way, superior to those American-made "Elites".
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I don't think that's a X5. Looks like a standard 226 with a beaver tail to me. Does it have a bull barrel and a different recoil assembly?
 
It's an X-Five. I know because I have one. The slide assembly is probably exactly the same as a standard P226 (though not 100% sure); but the frame is definitely an X-Five frame.

All X-Five frames have the same basic layout. Standard Single-action X-Fives have adjustable triggers and ambidextrous manual safety levers; DA/SA X-Fives are basically the same guns with SAO parts swapped out for the simpler DA/SA parts plus some filler pieces.

Some of the differences are:
- extra cut-out under trigger guard to reduce grip diameter and improve ergonomics
- cross grooves checkering on the front strap and front of the trigger guard (standard P226 only has horizontal grooves).
- plastic "filler pieces" at the back of the frame near the beavertail, covering up access to the hammer-stop pin. These parts cover up the holes where the manual safety levers would be located if it were a SAO gun.
- and you can't see from here, but I guarantee that there are two holes, one under and one in front of the trigger guard, that are used to adjust the trigger weight and overtravel, again if it were a SAO gun.

Some people are thinking: "So what's the big deal?" The deal is that all X-Fives are hand-fitted and tested. Final deburring is done by hand, and the gun's cycling and trigger pulls are manually tested and refined as needed to meet a standard where tolerances are tight and functioning is smooth. And of course all guns are live-fire tested and zeroed, and must achieve a minimum grouping (depending on the model) before being released from the factory.

And for those that have handled an X-Five, you can definitely see and feel the difference in quality.
 
Crosswind said:
Some people are thinking: "So what's the big deal?" The deal is that all X-Fives are hand-fitted and tested. Final deburring is done by hand, and the gun's cycling and trigger pulls are manually tested and refined as needed to meet a standard where tolerances are tight and functioning is smooth. And of course all guns are live-fire tested and zeroed, and must achieve a minimum grouping (depending on the model) before being released from the factory.

And for those that have handled an X-Five, you can definitely see and feel the difference in quality.
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+1! They really are awesome! I just wish I had bought an X-Five L1 before things went south!
 
gdawg said:
As i understand it, the elite is a standard production gun made in the us. The x-series are semi custom guns made in germany (at least for now) and will have a high degree of fitting and finishing etc.
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^^^^ +++1
Exactly what this guy said. A friend of mine has 2 of the X-5's. When he found out they don't make the model he has, he bought 2. One to shoot, the other as parts. Both are still operational. Not sure how old they are. But everything is high standard, barrel, trigger, slide, etc. And when you hold it, its PERFECTLY balanced. When you shake it, there is NO rattle. Just like my 1911R BSS Nitron. My buddy is coming to my place in a few weeks to "throw some freedom downrange", and he's going to be bringing all his toys with him for our "Range Day":dancingbanana::dancingbanana::dancingbanana:. Can't wait to get my grubby paws on that X-5. I say if you get a chance to get a German X-5? Be all over it like a starving fat kid on a smartie bro.
 
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