Best place to buy 'Blue' guns

Still alive said:
I saw a bunch, not sure about M&Ps though, at DS Tactical, site sponsor. Don't know a thing about their status as restricted or prohib. Maybe give them a shout and get it straight from the horse's mouth?
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Guns like the Glock P and T suffix guns are restricted. Red guns have a P suffix as in 22P or 17P and blue guns are 22T and 17T.
 
fenceline said:
Works just fine.

Doesn't work well when you work in an agency that sanitizes their training areas of live fireable weapons so as to lessen the chances of an accidental shooting / ND.
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Plus I imagine you wouldn't want your pricey firearm flying across the room, padded floor or not and hitting something hard during a disarming class.
 
Yeah, the primary concerns are (a) I don't want the m&p winging across the room and getting dropped all the time and (b) just to make the practicing extra, 100% safe and not attract attention should some a-hole in one of the other apartment buildings decided to fire up a telescope and spy on us, lol.
 
fenceline said:
False. The blue and red Glocks are restricted. They have fully functional receivers.
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That may true for Glocks and I will stand correct on that point if you can prove it (I think all brand name Blue Guns are solid) and when I tried very hard to find a Canadian supplier or an American who would ship blue/orange/red guns to a public individual for holster making the resounding response was NO unless I was licenced to train people in firearms related activities OR a licenced armourer for film/TV/Stage etc. If anyone sends me a link to a Canadian supplier to the public I will say thank you and eat my hat. Whether prohibited replicas, restricted NON firing(?) or as they say simulators I do not think can legally buy/sell in Canada for personal use. So rather just say I am wrong or what I say is false please show me that it is legal and possible and I will bow out of this with thanks.

Name brand "Blue Guns" manufacturer has NO Canadian reps.
 
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As davemro pointed out way back in post 5, 911 Supply in Calgary, for one, sells them. 911supply.ca/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,281/Itemid,1/

Let us know what flavour that hat is. ;)

There is a HUGE difference between simunition and functional trainers and inert resin trainers. The inert resin trainers are not replicas; they are orange, red and blue plastic training tools. Not every company likes selling to the public but they certainly are not illegal. As they exist there is nothing illegal about them. Now, if you were to spray paint one black, you may just have created an illegal replica. But in their original colours, not a replica. :)


Edited to add: I should also point out that 911 is owned by a police officer and his wife and have been in business for over 20 years. They have a pretty good handle on what they sell.

Also, you will notice that many of the trainers they sell are blue gun brand.
 
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ASP makes resin red ones, and the blue resin ones are made by a company named "Blue Guns" part of a company called Rings Manufacturing...and there are probably others. They don't resemble with "near precision" in that most guns aren't solid blocks of brightly coloured resin. These are different than "red guns" modified from normal firearms for dry fire only (ie without a firing pin) or blue modified guns for simmunition. Those use regular firearm frames and are modified for their purposes.

Both blue and red resin guns are used in training by LEOs so someone has to distribute them somewhere here. They're not controlled in any way. There just found one, Canadian Safety Source Clothing and Equipment Ltd sells the blue models. Google their name. And, I see Shawn C6 already found them. The M&P 40 version will be dimensionally identical to the M&P9. Mine don't technically represent the exact model of my actual firearm either but still fit in the holsters and for retention purposes work exactly the same
 
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I just had a good long chat with Dan at Canadian Safety Source about the brand name "Blue Guns" he has posted and listed as "Firearm simulator, also known as "BLUE GUNS", urethane replica firearm"... I asked him if I had been miss-led 2.5 years ago when I was unable to source, as a public buyer, in Canada back then and told they were prohibited replicas in Canada and would be sent to me by US sources. He said "You were not miss-led 2.5 years ago." He went on to say that while I didn't need to be a licenced business training folks and I could buy one legally as a holster maker it would be very difficult back then with no Canadian sources and even now from him. He can legally sell to me BUT he has a very hard time getting stock because NO big carrier will bring them in from the states AND Boarder Services are often seizing shipments claiming they are prohibited replicas. So yes I can and no I can't is the real answer as he said.

He has some stock now such as Glocks and P226's so if that's what you want call him quick while he has them. As he said if I wanted a specific model he didn't have I could order but.... he cant guarantee it can get to him then me in any real time frame if ever.

AND red, blue, orange solid resin trainers have no moving parts and are used for rough and tumble handling and contact training...they can hit the floor, wall, head etc. and are good in safe training environments. Full functioning, non-firing orange stocked trainers have moving parts and are metal parts and orange plastic furniture. These were used on my CFSC by my trainer where a resin blue, orange, red gun would be useless as you can go through the "PROVE" motions with them. One would use one of these resin models in a full motion/contact training environment as they would get damaged if sent flying... One would use an orange stock metal unit for safe handling, cleaning, breakdown training etc.

So I am not prepared to eat my hat but do stand corrected that there are now Canadian distributors... who have a hard time distributing due to the confusion over eth classification of these units as they come into Canada.
 
Interesting to hear form a dealer, but the other side of that coin is that 911 Supply in Calgary has been selling blue guns (and orange ones from Blackhawk and more recently the ASP ones as well) for years now. Maybe the ambiguity in some of our laws and the inconsistency of how different CBSA officers/offices interpret the laws have scared many dealers/distributors away from carrying them?
 
krausb said:
Interesting to hear form a dealer, but the other side of that coin is that 911 Supply in Calgary has been selling blue guns (and orange ones from Blackhawk and more recently the ASP ones as well) for years now. Maybe the ambiguity in some of our laws and the inconsistency of how different CBSA officers/offices interpret the laws have scared many dealers/distributors away from carrying them?
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Exactly his/my point... my experience before that I couldn't was correct as is someone's who gets one easily today. They are both correct experiences because there is ambiguity and discretionary seizure by CBSA plus the refusal of the big couriers to transport them in and US makers to supply direct to an individual in Canada. In other words it seems that if the Canadian dealer can get them he can sell them but getting them is the issue. I would love to talk to 911 Supply in Calgary and get their experience on this...especially since I may still need them fro holstering when I run out of popular airguns!! I thin I will call them today. And to be clear I am still just talking about solid resin units not the metal/plastic simulators similar to deactivated weapons.

Also for someone to say I am wrong to say I have been told they are prohibs is a quick draw statement... seems clear that some folks/agencies think they are and that is what I was told. So again to necessarily wrong just a confusing situation. Not black or white yet.

Stay tuned if you care to......
 
I hear ya. Our laws are confusing even for the folks that are tasked with enforcing them! By the way, the owners of 911 are Kevin and Marg. It is a fairly big operation now with lots of staff but one of them us usually there during normal business hours. I think their son has pretty much taken over the day to day management of the retail business but I can't remember his name....
 
Just spoke to a fella at 911 and here is what he said in essence (not direct quotes unless indicated).
- It would be correct that I could not find them in Canada 2.5 years ago (Blue Guns specifically) as they themselves only started carrying them a while ago. US would not ship up to an individual etc.
- the solid resin molded units regardless of colour can be interpreted as just this legal side of the line of "replica" due to materials and colour and the fact they are totally inert (no moving bits at all)
- Yes they are hard to get into Canada depending who you can get to carry them and who may or may interpret them at the boarder. They us a freight forwarded who doesn't seem to have issues.
- the regulating of who they sell to is a little vague but in essence the buyer must have a reasonable need for them and that is to be decided by the seller really so in fact some seller may say as an individual holster maker I don't have the need they accept but a licenced training organisation does.
- Glock is hard to get due to Glock trying to stop any Glock patent infringements they perceive
- he acknowledge it is a real grey area and is interpreted differently by folks and agencies
- things have changed since I first look so they are more available
- basically once you can get them into Canada you can sell them to anyone

So now I don't need all the expensive replica airguns anymore!!! However, rubber guns aren't as fun to play with.
 
OK cool. I was getting nervous like when someone says ... "I sent you a letter. Call me when you get it." but doesn't say what it is about...... and it takes for ever to get it. Turns out it was some funny news clipping they thought you would like.
 
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