Dominion Arms 12" Outlaw or 1887 12GA?
- Thread starter Dr.Islay
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The outlaw is insanely loud and likely serves no practical purpose. Though I figure I might take it gopher hunting some day. Aiming is over-rated. The lever action you could actually hunt with. So if you are looking for something impractical go with the outlaw.
The outlaw is a lot of fun, if you work out the kinks. Very short yes, but fairly heavy for hiking.
between the 2, i'd go with the outlaw, but with earplugs.
If you really want to hike, a single shot short barrel shotgun is probably going to be better.
Something like this:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...or-Backpacker-Gen-2-Sneak-Peak?highlight=gen2
between the 2, i'd go with the outlaw, but with earplugs.
If you really want to hike, a single shot short barrel shotgun is probably going to be better.
Something like this:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...or-Backpacker-Gen-2-Sneak-Peak?highlight=gen2
The Backpacker is a pig for sure..... Take a look at the 8.5 Grizzly's if you want a little blaster. Close to same weight as the backpacker and an extra round can be made to fit.
If you wanted to be practical you'd be better off going up the 12.5 inches. Minimal weight gain but you get an extra shell and a more common stock foreend assembly.
If you wanted to be practical you'd be better off going up the 12.5 inches. Minimal weight gain but you get an extra shell and a more common stock foreend assembly.
I really need to do an update to that post...
I ended up convincing Martin to swap the polymer furniture 12ga for a wood furniture one (which was pretty cocky of me, considering it was a free gun for me), and also bought (paid full retail) one of the .410 wood furniture warriors with the 14" bbl.
I've had them both out and done a fair bit of shooting with them. They're both just great little guns. I'll grab one or the other when I'm out working over the gopher patch. My .22s are all scoped - which means they're tough to get on target for the close in (under 10 yards) shots easily and quickly. The short barrelled single shots are just the trick for that.
.410 and 12ga both work fine for the job (no shock there), but what I'm finding surprising is that the damage to the critter isn't so much dependent on the gauge, as it is the shot size. In either gun, #6 shot makes a mess of things. #7.5 shot drops them dead, without making a mess. I've been kind of paying close attention, because I'm thinking of either as a potential "survival" gun for hiking and backpacking. And by "survival" I'm not thinking bear defence, I'm thinking in much more practical terms - bagging enough protein to keep me going another day. Basically, squirrels.
.410 advantages: Way less recoil. You can carry 3x as much ammo for the same weight. Depending on what you're running down the pipe, you can hunt what needs hunting. I even picked up some "Deer Slugs" for the .410. At first I was skeptical, but after looking at the ballistics charts of a 1/4 oz .410 slug, running some water jug tests of my own... Yah, at under 50 yards, you can definitely take a Deer with it.
12ga advantages: Ammo choices and availability - you just have way more options. Also, with the backpackers, you have screw in chokes - I even have the rifled choke for it for running slugs. You can actually tailor it to specific hunting applications. It patterns quite well. I'd call it a 20-25 yard grouse gun without hesitation. And as a backpacker/survival gun, it has a very distinct advantage over .410 - specifically, flares. I always take flares with me in the bush. The hard reality of bush survival is that it isn't a bear that gets you. It's a twisted ankle and the inability to walk yourself out. Take out the choke from the 12ga backpacker, and you can run 12ga flares through it safely. And a flare is the thing that will be more likely to save you than anything.
Anyway, sorry to ramble on a bit off topic.
If it's just a matter of having an "impractical, fun little blaster" - I have simple advice:
Buy the one YOU think LOOKS coolest. Take it to the range and shoot the hell out of it until it falls apart.
I have a 1887 T2 ( for sale by the way ), it's built like a tank, heavy for lenght of the gun but solid you have no idea, the capacity of shell is a + , and you have two option, small grips or full stock, only 18.5", very surprising low recoil in the hands with the pistol grip...., ...but the outlaw as a real bad ass look ...
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Thanks guys, appreciate the comments.
Impractical is the name of this particular desire!
Also on the shopping list is a backpack type of gun. Unfortunately, the Warriors sold quick and I missed out.
Not off topic at all. Truth be told, I've all but pulled the trigger on picking up one of Martin's Ricol 20g 16.5.
No small thanks to input such as yours and Foxer's. Not too mention that Corwin has been a pleasure to deal with.
I do like the Outlaw. 1 part Max Max, 1 part spaghetti western. Not like it's going to spend anytime on the trap range!
Very cool. Will have to have a peek at your post in the EE. Might just find you soon.
Impractical is the name of this particular desire!
Also on the shopping list is a backpack type of gun. Unfortunately, the Warriors sold quick and I missed out.
Not off topic at all. Truth be told, I've all but pulled the trigger on picking up one of Martin's Ricol 20g 16.5.
No small thanks to input such as yours and Foxer's. Not too mention that Corwin has been a pleasure to deal with.
I do like the Outlaw. 1 part Max Max, 1 part spaghetti western. Not like it's going to spend anytime on the trap range!
Very cool. Will have to have a peek at your post in the EE. Might just find you soon.
From the look, it's the Gen 1 without interchangeable chokes - which explains the price difference (lower) than the original gen 1's brought in by Corwin-Arms.
The same factory pumps out a lot of guns under different brands. I'm pretty sure the single-shots that Canadian Tire carries are made by the same factory.
If impractical but fun is what you want, get the outlaw. My friend has one and its a ton of fun. Don't know if I'd buy one myself but I'll keep shooting his. Had it out last weekend and everyone loved it. We put a lot of rounds through it that weekend.
I bought a 1887 from can am. I really like it. Its a blast and works well. It likes to be wracked hard.id reccomend one. Stupid me bought one with the pistol grip and a month later they offered them with the fullstock and pistol grip, i was a bit sour.
