Tavor Vs ACR. Which one would you keep?

mikethebike said:
Not too sure a single point sling is the right sling to go with if you are not holding onto your rifle. I dont think there is actually any good points to using a single point sling aside for vehicle operating.
Walking around 2 point sling
In a vehicle 1 point sling
But thats another discussion.
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I had a Magpul 1/2 convertible on my XCR-M heavy barrel. Either I have set it up wrong or I'm a doofus but no matter what I do, the rifle feels uncomfortable as H#ll. In single point, my neck is sore and it drags. In double point, it tips and I get jabbed by either the scope or the mag. But that's another discussion!:d
I use the factory seatbelt with the Tavor 2 point and it is just fine!
 
Anyways guys, the accuracy debate. Us canadians we are absolutely obsessed with sub moa semis.
The military requirements for a rack grade AR are? ... 4 moa
Tavor shoots under 4moa
Tavor goes bang every single facking time
In a shtf guys we'll be shooting two footed moving and shooting back at us targets at 50 yards and less, thats a 2 inch circle.
Tavor will perform as the IDF always intends it to perform, as a solid, reliable weapon in adverse severe conditions.

Yes the ACR is more accurate, if you're chasing sub moa performance and you want to engage targets at 500 yards, yes go ACR, youll be getting about an 8 -9 inch group at 500 yards with factory ammo.

The fact is both rifles have disadvantages and advantages, both are top quality piston semi rifles and will perform very well with very little if any maintenance and cleaning.
 
Still alive said:
I'm assuming the question is hypothetical then? And you are keeping both?
I agree with your own assessment. I don't own an ACR but had the XCR. I find our traditional non- restricted black rifles a real pain with carrying as they are too long. I'm 6' tall and still find the barrel hits the ground or my ankles when using a single point.
As accurate as the ACR is suppose to be, it still ain't no target rifle. For what these guns are made for, the Tavor is still better balanced and more fun to shoot. For a traditional mag forward platform, I go AR all the way. For sh#ts amd giggles, the Tavor has my vote!
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Nope, probably going to sell one, I just happened to trade for one, and buy the other. I only need one black rifle, the money from the other rifle can be used for better things at this point in my life. Someday I hope to have them all :p

single point sling walking would be a tad uncomfortable no?

I understand about the accuracy of the ACR, why not have a black rifle that is accurate to boot? Two rifles in one really.

I agree with the balance of the Tavor, it is a great rifle. Looking forward to shooting mine.

Ebola said:
Tavor. Proven Design and after market support makes it a no brainer.
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Aftermarket support is good. I think the ACR is beginning to get some pull nowadays, aftermarket support will follow.

mikethebike said:
Anyways guys, the accuracy debate. Us canadians we are absolutely obsessed with sub moa semis.
The military requirements for a rack grade AR are? ... 4 moa
Tavor shoots under 4moa
Tavor goes bang every single facking time
In a shtf guys we'll be shooting two footed moving and shooting back at us targets at 50 yards and less, thats a 2 inch circle.
Tavor will perform as the IDF always intends it to perform, as a solid, reliable weapon in adverse severe conditions.

Yes the ACR is more accurate, if you're chasing sub moa performance and you want to engage targets at 500 yards, yes go ACR, youll be getting about an 8 -9 inch group at 500 yards with factory ammo.

The fact is both rifles have disadvantages and advantages, both are top quality piston semi rifles and will perform very well with very little if any maintenance and cleaning.
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Pretty much sums it up ^
 
Still alive said:
I had a Magpul 1/2 convertible on my XCR-M heavy barrel. Either I have set it up wrong or I'm a doofus but no matter what I do, the rifle feels uncomfortable as H#ll. In single point, my neck is sore and it drags. In double point, it tips and I get jabbed by either the scope or the mag. But that's another discussion!:d
I use the factory seatbelt with the Tavor 2 point and it is just fine!
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i set up my tavor with a troy with hk hook in the front and a quick detach in the back with the after market quick detach thing, forgot what its name is, installed it quite a while back.
 
No one can tell you what you like best. I would keep the ACR but that's just me. I own an ACR with NR 223, 300BLK, and 6.8SPC conversions and have shot a few Tavors, for some reason the Tavor has never really done anything for me. I've never gotten the "I've gotta get me one of these" feeling after shooting one. It's a well made reliable rifle but it does nothing for me. Weird thing is that I like bullpup rifles so I figured I would like it more.

Go alone to the range or your favorite shooting spot with both rifles and 200-300 rounds of ammo and shoot all of it in whichever rifle you feel like shooting and keep the rifle that you run most of the ammo through. That's the one you like better.
If accuracy is important then keep the ACR but if it's just shooting pleasure then the above test will tell you which one to keep.
 
Still alive said:
I had a Magpul 1/2 convertible on my XCR-M heavy barrel. Either I have set it up wrong or I'm a doofus but no matter what I do, the rifle feels uncomfortable as H#ll. In single point, my neck is sore and it drags. In double point, it tips and I get jabbed by either the scope or the mag. But that's another discussion!:d
I use the factory seatbelt with the Tavor 2 point and it is just fine!
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You're not a doofus; that XCR-M heavy barrel is crazy-heavy!
 
I'd keep the Tavor.

ACR is an overpriced disaster of a gun. Marketing significantly overpromised and engineering couldn't keep up with the hype machine. Add to the pot that for a gun whose biggest sales pitch was interchangeability and modularity, that it still is incredibly hard to get any aftermarket parts or even factory parts like different barrel lengths or calibres, and my choice would not even take me a minute to make. It would be bye bye ACR.
 
Still alive said:
driller212 said:
single point sling walking would be a tad uncomfortable no?

Very uncomfortable with the XCR! That's why I sold the L and my M is a safe queen!
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No kidding, the XCR is a fantasticly well built rifle, and a pleasure to shoot, but it sure is heavy.

The FN Scar is everything that the XCR is, but is about a pound lighter, which makes a gigantic difference in how the rifle holds and handles. Had the chance to run a few hundred rounds through a SCAR-L, and it shoots like a dream.

If the SCAR was available as NR, it would quickly take the place of my XCR... oh well.


I digress, back on topic now lol.
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I'd keep the Tavor. Like Still Alive said, i find most NR black rifles that we can own very long. Even carrying one using a 2 point sling. A (generally longish) receiver and a 18.6" pipe on the front of it does not make for a compact rifle. With the Tavor, you got the compactness of a (roughly) 10.5" AR without the velocity loss of an SBR.

If i owned both rifles, planned on keeping both rifles and the SHTF tomorrow? I'd run the Tavor and give the ACR to a tall, praying mantis like friend to rock.
 
Always wondered about the Tavor. Is it more difficult to transition from right-handed to left-handed. seems like it would be a much choppier movement. Also, how it points differently due to the bullpup config; is it a 'better' different, or just a 'different' different?
 
CoonT said:
Always wondered about the Tavor. Is it more difficult to transition from right-handed to left-handed. seems like it would be a much choppier movement. Also, how it points differently due to the bullpup config; is it a 'better' different, or just a 'different' different?
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Transitioning right/left is not difficult once you understand how to with the Tavor. It's actually quite smooth.
Due to the 4 point contact and compactness of the Tavor ( foregrip, forearm on the massive trigger guard, cheekweld and firing hand), the gun points and moves well. Find one and try it out. You can hold one with one hand and aim quite easily. Try that with an ACR, XCR or SL-8! If you really know your Tavor, you can mag change without taking your eyes off your target.
 
ill take American over israel weapons any day of the week, say you had to make a 400 meter shot quickly, is your tavor going to perform as well as an acr? Anyone shoot a tavor prone behind a tree and had to transition to your left or weakhand to make an accurate 200 meter shot? take that scenerio and throw in a mag malfunction and time yourself with each platform, looks dont mean anything to me, performance under stress takes the cake. Throw in no ear protection and let me know how that hot brass and left ear drum are doing, Just my opinion, looks cool.
 
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ntm said:
Blasting pop cans at 50 yards, tavor.
Shooting coyotes at 300 yards, non restricted acr.
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At 300 yards I would take a bolt rifle for coyotes not a ACR. ACR accuracy is nice. But most people who say that have aftermarket non restricted barrels put on. Im sure the Tavor could possibly do as well or close to the ACR, once the barrel market opens up, if it does.
 
I own neither lol .... but given the choice, NON restricted ACR hands down. I find the Tavor very uncomfy. And besides, its just a matter of time before it goes restricted/prohib. "Scary military issue bullpup"
 
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