Who wants a Restricted M16?

LouF said:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion,whether you agree with it or not.
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Absolutely. And everyone else is entitled to tell said person that they are wrong. He wants to put forth an opinion, thats cool, but he had better be prepared to defend that opinion with a reasoned argument or he is gonna get spanked .... which is exactly what happened.
 
84wh1 said:
I personally don't see the need for full auto. It's totally useless and COMPLETELY dangerous in the hands of an untrained shooter. Now I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here or stray away from the topic at hand here but in reality, it has no purpose in civilian hands.
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the average civilian shooter has far more experience actually shooting LIVE ammo out of a firearm than your average leo or military. The reason for that is because he has a far greater budget.
I guess you did not know that...
I probably shoot more ammo during 2 weekends shooting competitions than the average leo in his entire career.
Ive had more training on safe handling, holstering, fundamentals and advanced handling on pistols, carbines and shotguns than the average leo in his entire career.
So I think I am actually more qualified than an LEO, meaning more qualified than you.
Yet you find that I am not, for reasons?
So I am not going to say what I really think of you because I'll get banned.
 
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I don't see full autos ever being legal again, but as for dangerous - no way. I hadn't handled an FA for 20 years (and only briefly then - exactly 3 times) when I was handed an MP5K in a cramped concrete room with a full mag and surrounded by 8 other shooters. No issues, no misses, mag after mag, no danger. You're either a safe shooter who can learn 4 rules and follow them, or you're not. The gun might change, but the shooter doesn't. If you're safe, you're safe, if you're not the kind of gun you're holding doesn't make any difference.
 
id just like to have non restricted ar-15 have ak variants psl svd ace Gail fal and stander cap mags 30 40 rds semi mp5 as much as i want a FA its far to expensive for me but if you can aford on fine by me and haveing CCW permits and self defence id be happy
 
In Vancouver on a daily basis I see wealthy (mostly Asian) KIDS, driving their GTRs, Porsche GTs, Ferraris, Lambos, Maseratis, BMW M3s, AMGs, etc etc all around town all the time with "N" stickers on the back of them. Can you honestly tell me that someone with less than 6 months driving experience can safely and responsibly handle vehicles with this kind of power? Maybe there's the rare exception to the rule, but seriously, I highly doubt they all grow up at race car school.

I have a well paying respectable job, a family, no criminal record, and a spotless financial history, NOT TO MENTION a government certification that says I am trained and licensed in the use of FIREARMS, but the government does not trust that I am responsible enough to take my AR-15 out in the bush and shoot pop cans.

Shame on you government. Shame on you.
 
ColKurtz said:
In Vancouver on a daily basis I see wealthy (mostly Asian) KIDS, driving their GTRs, Porsche GTs, Ferraris, Lambos, Maseratis, BMW M3s, AMGs, etc etc all around town all the time with "N" stickers on the back of them. Can you honestly tell me that someone with less than 6 months driving experience can safely and responsibly handle vehicles with this kind of power? Maybe there's the rare exception to the rule, but seriously, I highly doubt they all grow up at race car school.

I have a well paying respectable job, a family, no criminal record, and a spotless financial history, NOT TO MENTION a government certification that says I am trained and licensed in the use of FIREARMS, but the government does not trust that I am responsible enough to take my AR-15 out in the bush and shoot pop cans.

Shame on you government. Shame on you.
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:cheers: agreed!

About those kids, did you see the one that crashed his Lambo right in the middle of the intersection of Alberni and Burrard? What a f-in goof... Best part is when they crash or have their cars impounded they don't even give a sh1t cuz they just get another one.

Saw a fat kid driving a Mclaren the other day too... And we can't have non restricted AR's let alone full auto anything. What a joke
 
Not that it matters, since 1934 in the United States, ONE crime has been committed with a a legally owned machine gun. It was a LEO that was charged, so if we look at the stats it is the LEO that can't be trusted.
 
This is the exact "I know best for all yall" sentiment that most LEOs I have known believe in, and the very reason why the gov pass laws on what things be banned and stay banned for all of us in the end. Which is based on the above belief on what civilians should have access to based on disarmament agendas.

Just saying.

84wh1 said:
As ive said, I am FAR from an anti and my collection would verify that. I am FULLY supportive of gun owners rights however we need to be realistic about things. I mean we are trying to get a simple semi auto rifle to non restricted status and yet some are saying we should try and get automatics off the prohib. We need to be realistic about our expectations.

If I am in the minority in regards to my opinions of civilian full auto then thats fine. And yeah, maybe because I am LEO I have a biased opinion about what should and shouldn't be legal. Either way its my opinion and I am being extremely professional about expressing it. You on the other hand, not soo much.

I wasnt trying to stir the pot on this here but clearly I did and because of that, this is my last post in regards to this topic.

Thanks to those who actually have a mature approach to a valued opinion of someone with actual experience
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He's not saying they should ban them, he's just saying in his opinion he doesn't find them to be useful. People are blowing this way out of proportion IMO.

I think most of us want them because they'd be fun as hell but there will always be people that don't want them. I personally don't want to fire a 700 Nitro Express and I think they're pretty useless other than the fun factor but I don't want them banned either.
 
DitoB said:
He's not saying they should ban them, he's just saying in his opinion he doesn't find them to be useful. People are blowing this way out of proportion IMO.
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Sorry, but what he actually said was ".... COMPLETELY dangerous in the hands of an untrained shooter. Now I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here or stray away from the topic at hand here but in reality, it has no purpose in civilian hands."

Now maybe it's just me but "...no purpose in civilian hands" sounds awfully much like he wants them banned.
 
kanook said:
Not that it matters, since 1934 in the United States, ONE crime has been committed with a a legally owned machine gun. It was a LEO that was charged, so if we look at the stats it is the LEO that can't be trusted.
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And despite there being roughly 7000 legally registered full autos in Canada I believe there has never been a homicide committed with one of these guns by the registered owner. Ever. With statistics like that one might suggest with some logic that it's full autos everyone should be able to own because they are obviously not a public safety risk.
 
ted_dent said:
Sorry, but what he actually said was ".... COMPLETELY dangerous in the hands of an untrained shooter. Now I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here or stray away from the topic at hand here but in reality, it has no purpose in civilian hands."

Now maybe it's just me but "...no purpose in civilian hands" sounds awfully much like he wants them banned.
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I hear ya. I interpreted it differently. I think his opinion that they don't have a purpose doesn't necessarily mean he wants it banned. In the end it's all moot as they're already prohibs.
 
84wh1 said:
As ive said, I am FAR from an anti and my collection would verify that. I am FULLY supportive of gun owners rights however we need to be realistic about things. I mean we are trying to get a simple semi auto rifle to non restricted status and yet some are saying we should try and get automatics off the prohib. We need to be realistic about our expectations.

If I am in the minority in regards to my opinions of civilian full auto then thats fine. And yeah, maybe because I am LEO I have a biased opinion about what should and shouldn't be legal. Either way its my opinion and I am being extremely professional about expressing it. You on the other hand, not soo much.

I wasnt trying to stir the pot on this here but clearly I did and because of that, this is my last post in regards to this topic.

Thanks to those who actually have a mature approach to a valued opinion of someone with actual experience
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This is going to have to be one of those agree to disagree opinions.

What makes a full auto rifle more "dangerous" than a semi auto?
 
If C42 made one slice of Eugene Stoner's family of designs less encumbered than before, let's celebrate. If the precedent can be argued that now the legally owned Full Autos which are sitting getting dusty can be raised (or lowered?) one category and owners can get transport permits, let's start lobbying. However, getting new M16s into the country is probably less likely to happen.

I posted on the first page of this thread and immediately challenged our now famous CGN'er's stated opinions. Hardly anyone picked up on the We Stand Together, or We Fall Separately theme. As many others have posted, there are parts of the shooting game that aren't their bag. However, we must respect each others' likes just as we would want them to respect ours. When the Full Auto guys get their ATTs, let's line up the pickups with ammo and show these guys how much we cherish and appreciate the technical side of their favourite toys.
 
I'm tired of the people saying 2 things
1: "needing guns" I don't need any guns, but I want them because I enjoy shooting and collecting them.
2: "full autos are to difgicult to control for civis" Anyone who thinks full auto is too difficult to control for us "simple civilians" Go sit on a rake, I've fired full auto with no prior training and it is fun and not as difficult as the fools let on. If you can shoot semi auto you can shoot full auto.
 
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