So I had my new Snake Slayer out recently and at 10 meters the top barrel consistently shoots 12" higher then point of aim. The lower barrel is dead on. Would this be considered normal. The center to center of the 2 barrels is less then 0.600" apart. I am a little disappointed with that but it is a neat gun to shoot.
Bond Arms Snake Slayer IV, .45LC-.410 Accuracy
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Try it at 20y.
The one I had was off paper..... Minuet of "fridge" at 20 I used to say....
The novelty of the thing wore off after 3 range trips, was out of the arsenal after 5 weeks!
The one I had was off paper..... Minuet of "fridge" at 20 I used to say....
The novelty of the thing wore off after 3 range trips, was out of the arsenal after 5 weeks!
Yep, that's exactly how it worked for me when I shot one belonging to a buddy.
The issue isn't that the top barrel is higher by the distance between the bores. The issue is that gun recoils differently due to the bore axis being different amounts above your hand grip. The top barrel simply has more leverage to rotate faster and farther before the bullet leaves the muzzle and so it prints higher by that much more.
The only solution for this other than regulating the barrels at the factory would be to come up with some form of front or rear sight which allows for two different elevation aiming points. Otherwise your only recourse is to use some well educated "Kentucky elevation" to compensate for the top barrel.
The issue isn't that the top barrel is higher by the distance between the bores. The issue is that gun recoils differently due to the bore axis being different amounts above your hand grip. The top barrel simply has more leverage to rotate faster and farther before the bullet leaves the muzzle and so it prints higher by that much more.
The only solution for this other than regulating the barrels at the factory would be to come up with some form of front or rear sight which allows for two different elevation aiming points. Otherwise your only recourse is to use some well educated "Kentucky elevation" to compensate for the top barrel.
Exactly, if you really want to keep the gun consider marking that big front blade somehow and then try to remember which barrel is which when firing.
Not a range gun and borderline useless ( man I thought I'd never say that about a gun) in Canada.
I had the .357 version for a while and traded it off. The .410 makes a bit more sense if the patterns overlap but still.... what are you going to use it for?
####'s and giggles and novelty fun is all it's good for in Canada and there's nothing wrong with that if it puts a smile on your face.
It's also a huge derringer that is tricky to hold well. The revised version looks like a much better trigger then the original I had.
Fit and Finnish is excellent.
There was a fair amount of discussion online about the original model a few years ago, and I imagine there is even more discussion since then.
It's a snake gun or up close personal defense option. Other then that it's sort of cool and different for sure, but I found the original awkward to shoot and the trigger pull angle was brutal. I found the best way to shoot it was using my second finger instead of my index finger and that really helped the pull angle on the strange pivoting trigger but you still had to guesstimate where to hold and I'd rather have one consistent hold and know that any deviation from the center of the target is me.
Even if I lived in the US, I'd probably wear boots for snakes if it was a problem and put a glock 26, Kahr or a 3" SP101 in the same space that a snakeslayer would occupy.
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I'm pretty much on teh same boat as Can-Down.
Fit and Finish are excellent.
I also dislike the heavy and akward trigger. Pulls down and back, not straight back compounding its akwardness since it's already fairly heavy for a trigger.
It kicks like a goddamn angry stallion when shooting full house loads of 357 or larger, I heartily chuckle when I see this marketed as women in a car using it as a self defence weapon. if a woman can shoot this thing with 1 hand, she doesn't need a gun to protect herself. Most women would probably beat you with their purse for making her shoot this thing, then swear off firearms for life due to the blast and recoil.
Accuracy is minute of room, because its a derringer. Literally a point blank device and nothing more.
End result = It's a blast of a novelty to have friends fire off a few at the range nothign more. Keep mine as a collector of oddball guns and out of interest.
Other than that, its useless since we can't carry. Would make a nice last ditch emergency CCW or wilderness carry I guess...it is pretty small and packs a big punch, but thats a moot point in Canada.
Fit and Finish are excellent.
I also dislike the heavy and akward trigger. Pulls down and back, not straight back compounding its akwardness since it's already fairly heavy for a trigger.
It kicks like a goddamn angry stallion when shooting full house loads of 357 or larger, I heartily chuckle when I see this marketed as women in a car using it as a self defence weapon. if a woman can shoot this thing with 1 hand, she doesn't need a gun to protect herself. Most women would probably beat you with their purse for making her shoot this thing, then swear off firearms for life due to the blast and recoil.
Accuracy is minute of room, because its a derringer. Literally a point blank device and nothing more.
End result = It's a blast of a novelty to have friends fire off a few at the range nothign more. Keep mine as a collector of oddball guns and out of interest.
Other than that, its useless since we can't carry. Would make a nice last ditch emergency CCW or wilderness carry I guess...it is pretty small and packs a big punch, but thats a moot point in Canada.
The novelty value is very high. There's one of these around here that has been through 3 owners that I know and never spent more than 3 months with any of the three. I only know of that part of the gun's owner history because I shoot with all three and in talking to them found out from each that they'd sold or bought it from the others. The last of them sold it about a year and a half back. So that likely means it's been through 4 or 5 more owners unless someone is keeping it for the novelty aspect.
If it were mine and being the incorrigible tinkerer that I am I think I'd install a taller front sight blade that matches the top barrel. For the lower barrel I'd mill shoulders into the sides of the blade where the top of the shoulders put the lower round into the target center when they are held at the top of the rear notch. The resulting skinny upper part of the front blade should not be too much in the way. This isn't a dedicated target pistol after all. With this at least they could both hit within a fist sized "group" or better at around 10 to 15 yards.
OOPS! I just looked at the picture again. The front blade is integral with the barrel. So the way to go would be to mill a front to back slot in the middle of the existing blade, which already sights the lower bore well, and install a thin but easily visible blade extension so you get this stepped sight setup which works for both barrels.
If it were mine and being the incorrigible tinkerer that I am I think I'd install a taller front sight blade that matches the top barrel. For the lower barrel I'd mill shoulders into the sides of the blade where the top of the shoulders put the lower round into the target center when they are held at the top of the rear notch. The resulting skinny upper part of the front blade should not be too much in the way. This isn't a dedicated target pistol after all. With this at least they could both hit within a fist sized "group" or better at around 10 to 15 yards.
OOPS! I just looked at the picture again. The front blade is integral with the barrel. So the way to go would be to mill a front to back slot in the middle of the existing blade, which already sights the lower bore well, and install a thin but easily visible blade extension so you get this stepped sight setup which works for both barrels.
I would not wish to shoot full house .45LC with that. I do not like it Sam I am. I do not like it, not even when sitting on the can. I would not shoot it, indoors or out, I would not shoot it for fear I'd shout.
That's why I went with .357/38 as well JP. Quite pleasant with .38special recoil wise but the awkward hold and brutal trigger travel makes it a stunt gun to shoot well.
I was considering marking the front blade but came to my senses and passed it on to the next guy to try....... these guns should be available for rent.
Is 6 inches at 17 yards your best ever group or an average? You should make a video shooting it and show everyone your sight marks and how well they improve the achievable accuracy.
Anyone considering one, make sure it's the newer style if it's used. They made some improvements to the brutal trigger travel so that it's just awkward instead of brutal.
Also get rid of the trigger guard as it jams up your finger as you try to sweep it through it's brutal downward arc.
I was considering marking the front blade but came to my senses and passed it on to the next guy to try....... these guns should be available for rent.
Is 6 inches at 17 yards your best ever group or an average? You should make a video shooting it and show everyone your sight marks and how well they improve the achievable accuracy.
Anyone considering one, make sure it's the newer style if it's used. They made some improvements to the brutal trigger travel so that it's just awkward instead of brutal.
Also get rid of the trigger guard as it jams up your finger as you try to sweep it through it's brutal downward arc.
That's why I went with .357/38 as well JP. Quite pleasant with .38special recoil wise but the awkward hold and brutal trigger travel makes it a stunt gun to shoot well.
I was considering marking the front blade but came to my senses and passed it on to the next guy to try....... these guns should be available for rent.
Is 6 inches at 17 yards your best ever group or an average? You should make a video shooting it and show everyone your sight marks and how well they improve the achievable accuracy.
Anyone considering one, make sure it's the newer style if it's used. They made some improvements to the brutal trigger travel so that it's just awkward instead of brutal.
Also get rid of the trigger guard as it jams up your finger as you try to sweep it through it's brutal downward arc.
We could say average, the last 20 rounds ( in a row) i shot from it ( unsupported )were all within the 6 inch at 17 yards, i got to know the trigger and got my stance on the grip right, it's a tool of my collection, i hate selling handguns, if permitted i would like to gather a huge collection... JP.
I would not wish to shoot full house .45LC with that. I do not like it Sam I am. I do not like it, not even when sitting on the can. I would not shoot it, indoors or out, I would not shoot it for fear I'd shout.
With softer cowboy action loads it's not bad. About like shooting a S&W M10 with proper .38Spl. But the guy also had some "proper" .45Colt loads. And those sure did move the gun around in my hands! ! ! ! Recoil was "smart" but not too bad. But when offered a pair of .410 Magnum slug rounds I declined. I'm glad I did judging by how the owner was nursing his hand after shooting them.
I picked up an American Arms (12.6) derringer in 10mm, which is surprisingly compact. After reading a few on-line horror stories, I cobbled together a mini moon clip to hold .40S&W. I only fired two rounds and was a little alarmed at the primer and back of the case showing the tool marks of the breech of the derringer.
The recoil didn't seem that bad, for a pistol that is a fair bit smaller than the Bond Arms. I'll have to take some pictures.
I haven't fired my Bond Arms gun yet, I got both .357 and 45/410 barrels. I'm thinking .38 Special in the .357 barrel, to start.
The recoil didn't seem that bad, for a pistol that is a fair bit smaller than the Bond Arms. I'll have to take some pictures.
I haven't fired my Bond Arms gun yet, I got both .357 and 45/410 barrels. I'm thinking .38 Special in the .357 barrel, to start.
Saddle up to a S&W 500...makes a .357 Rem mag feel like a .22 in comparison. (start with 1 round in the cylinder...trust me.)
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Have you ever smacked your palm with a 2lb ballpein hammer? It's the closest thing to it my mind can come up with..... Only instead of tearing up and swearing, you giggle a little bit and swear!
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same situation with the 500 or the 460...... When I finally got my 5" 460, I find I get a terrible case of the giggles shooting 45LC..... Big sound almost no recoil! lol
