Dropping the slide on a Glock
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As posted that is complete B*llsh*t. If you understand how Glock's work then you would understand that it is absolutely impossible for the pistol to operate without depressing the trigger. This of course is predicated on the knowledge that the firearm is in original working condition. A failed or broken part is the responsibility of the user to find and fix. Modified guns are well modified which means they could be unsafe.
TW25B
I have read both manuals for both the handguns I own. Neither of them say anything about NOT dropping the slide on an empty chamber. They never tell you to do it per say. But there is never anything against it in the manuals. And these are written with warranty in mind.
to the OP, read your owners manual.
I have never read a
user/owners manual for anything else. It goes against my mechanics instinct. But I always read the manuals on new firearms. They are a little more important AND interesting than most other things I've owned.
to the OP, read your owners manual.
I have never read a
user/owners manual for anything else. It goes against my mechanics instinct. But I always read the manuals on new firearms. They are a little more important AND interesting than most other things I've owned.
A Glock with a broken part is more likely to 'cause the pistol to not fire that anything else.
Been shooting Glocks since circa 1994...... G17, G19, G26, G27, G23, G22. Currently own a 2nd gen G22 & a 3rd gen G23 [both .40 S&W].
Personally, have shot in excess of 35,000 rounds thru a particular 2nd gen G22 .40 cal without one single fail to feed, fire, extract or eject.
My wife did suffer a broken trigger bar in her 2nd gen G22 .40 cal, however it just prevented further firing. Pistol was disassembled then reassembled with a new trigger bar assembly & the pistol ran fine after that.
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Been shooting Glocks since circa 1994...... G17, G19, G26, G27, G23, G22. Currently own a 2nd gen G22 & a 3rd gen G23 [both .40 S&W].
Personally, have shot in excess of 35,000 rounds thru a particular 2nd gen G22 .40 cal without one single fail to feed, fire, extract or eject.
My wife did suffer a broken trigger bar in her 2nd gen G22 .40 cal, however it just prevented further firing. Pistol was disassembled then reassembled with a new trigger bar assembly & the pistol ran fine after that.
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A guy needs a cover story when he accidentally shoots himself in the leg. It was obviously the gun's fault, not the idiot with his finger on the trigger.
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Not that they won't, they just don't know how to get the tonneau cover off.
I have read both manuals for both the handguns I own. Neither of them say anything about NOT dropping the slide on an empty chamber. They never tell you to do it per say. But there is never anything against it in the manuals. And these are written with warranty in mind.
to the OP, read your owners manual.
I have never read a
Huh? The manual won't tell you not to drop the gun, not to store it in your furnace or not to use it as a hammer or prying devise, but I'm almost certain all the aforementioned will not be covered under the guns warranty.
Just for your interest, don't take it as bul###xx.That article mentioned that the officer didn't know that one of the four frame rail(hook like)was broken and gone.The striker was powered and loaded,while on the way to holster the gun, the slide slightly dislocate from its original position,the gun was discharge and the officer shoot his leg.This make me very careful , not to put excess oil to the glock,glock even don't need oil, no aftermarket parts,always stick with the original gun.
Just got a new colt rail gun last week cracked the box racked it on empty chamber dropped the slide probably 50 times in 15 mins who cares it's a gun use it always have and always will on my own stuff......would not dare to it at a gun store or on someone's else's gun.....out of respect and safe handling practice on my own stuff all day long and any firearm....especially my desert eagle
God is not a proven entity but I won't get into that... No one ever said that you couldn't damage your pistol by dropping the slide on an empty chamber. The point was being made that it is unlikely to do damage. You are correct in that all tools can and do break at some point.
Again, if you fully understood how a Glock pistol is designed you would understand that with or without one two three or four rails the pistol CANNOT be discharged without something contacting the trigger and depressing it to the rear. The striker is never charged on a Glock, this was mentioned several posts back. Glock pistols are known as "SAFE DOUBLE ACTION" designs, the striker is fully charged when the trigger is depressed all the way to the rear. It is at this point and this point only that the striker and crucible sear separate. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the striker to slip or otherwise release prematurely unless the trigger is depressed all the way to the rear. It is also impossible for the striker to release period as the striker spring is NOT UNDER COMPRESSION unless the trigger is pulled. The striker cannot reach the primer unless the trigger is depressed due to the FIRING PIN BLOCK.
Tearing a rail off makes no difference to the operation of a Glock pistol. Separating the slide from frame would separate the striker from the crucible sear making the gun completely inoperable.
Don't go spouting internet BS without doing your homework. The myth of frame rail separation causing an ND is a pathetic attempt at covering up someone's stupidity of getting a jacket zipper or cord lock stuck in the holster or trigger guard when re holstering.
TW25B
If I see the slide dropped casually on an empty chamber on a multi-thousand dollar 1911 - of which I've had a half dozen over the years - do you know what I do?
I shrug.
I don't habitually do it on my own high-dollar 1911s, but I've brought everything from Colts to Baers to Wilsons to courses and competitions and sometimes it's just the quickest and easiest solution to some situation I'm in, and if I bought a gun so weak that dropping the slide breaks it, then as far as I'm concerned, I bought garbage and I don't care what happens to it.
If I see it done on a Glock I'm not even wasting the electrons necessary to fire the neurons to tell my shoulders to move.
As far as glocks with broken frame rails firing of their own volition, I wouldn't rule it out. It's impossible to know what could end up wedged inside a gun maintained so poorly that a couple of its rails were broken without anyone noticing. Maybe pocket lint, maybe sand, maybe anything. If the slide isn't correctly attached and foreign materials make it inside, who knows what could happen? Glocks are good pistols, but they aren't infallible.
But are you going to break the frame rails by dropping the slide on an empty chamber? Christ no. You'd break so many other things first that the frame rails wouldn't be a concern at all.
I shrug.
I don't habitually do it on my own high-dollar 1911s, but I've brought everything from Colts to Baers to Wilsons to courses and competitions and sometimes it's just the quickest and easiest solution to some situation I'm in, and if I bought a gun so weak that dropping the slide breaks it, then as far as I'm concerned, I bought garbage and I don't care what happens to it.
If I see it done on a Glock I'm not even wasting the electrons necessary to fire the neurons to tell my shoulders to move.
As far as glocks with broken frame rails firing of their own volition, I wouldn't rule it out. It's impossible to know what could end up wedged inside a gun maintained so poorly that a couple of its rails were broken without anyone noticing. Maybe pocket lint, maybe sand, maybe anything. If the slide isn't correctly attached and foreign materials make it inside, who knows what could happen? Glocks are good pistols, but they aren't infallible.
But are you going to break the frame rails by dropping the slide on an empty chamber? Christ no. You'd break so many other things first that the frame rails wouldn't be a concern at all.
Sorry Misanthropist, but it is impossible for A Glock to fire unless the trigger(trigger bar) is depressed to the rear. Doing so as you know charges the striker/striker spring, disengages the firing pin block and releases the striker. Lint or any other debris is not going to affect the operation, nor is separating the slide from frame or shearing a frame rail. The genius behind the design is it's inability to fire unless intentionally desired.
TW25B
TW25B
Impossible is a long time...all that has to happen is the firing pin block has to get stuck open, while the striker gets pushed slightly to the rear and released. It's not likely to happen under normal circumstances but is it possible? Absolutely. Take a Glock slide off and see how little you need to do to defeat the firing pin block.
If the two frame rails on the right hand side of the gun are broken off, it's absolutely possible to #### the striker fully and release it with a pick. Do I find it especially likely that someone would drop a small, rigid object, let's say a dime or something, and have it wedge in the gun and get pushed in just long enough to trip the striker as the carrier was, say, sitting down?
No, I don't find it likely. But if you leave your slide off the rails on one side you can see right through to the striker hook. You probably wouldn't have that much space if the rails were just broken off and I'm not chopping the rails off any of my glocks just to see how loose they get, but the slide would absolutely admit small foreign objects.
Likely no, possible yes.
If the two frame rails on the right hand side of the gun are broken off, it's absolutely possible to #### the striker fully and release it with a pick. Do I find it especially likely that someone would drop a small, rigid object, let's say a dime or something, and have it wedge in the gun and get pushed in just long enough to trip the striker as the carrier was, say, sitting down?
No, I don't find it likely. But if you leave your slide off the rails on one side you can see right through to the striker hook. You probably wouldn't have that much space if the rails were just broken off and I'm not chopping the rails off any of my glocks just to see how loose they get, but the slide would absolutely admit small foreign objects.
Likely no, possible yes.
Accessing the striker with some weird foreign object as you describe is possible, if the rails are gone which is a user error not a design flaw. If you reassemble and jump half the rails, the slide won't cycle(I know first hand
). Even if the object managed to drag the striker to the rear and then slip out, the striker would land against the crucible sear in it's forward position which prevents the striker from ever protruding through the firing pin hole. In addition the firing pin block doesn't move unless the trigger bar is moved to the rear. I guess you could say that the gun might fire if a special object or two objects manage to retract the striker and depress the firing pin safety plunger at the right time. Then again you could also say that it's entirely possible that Wendy Cukier is a closet IPSC grand master level competitor who is working under cover within the Canadian gov to bring CCW, suppressors, and belt feds to the masses..Something about a snowball and hell comes to mind for both of these situations....
TW25B
I'd say anyone who failed to maintain their gun to the point that two frame rails were broken could easily have a firing pin block that had sludged in place. I can think of carry guns that got soaked in sugary coffee, in coke, in dried out froglube...it's pretty possible to combine one of those with a gun so roughed up that the spring holding the FPB in place is broken and end up with a defeated safety. That wouldn't matter, of course, unless something pressed the striker back and released it. Which isn't likely, but it's possible.
And in fact you can easily get the striker to protrude from the breechface...I did it myself, less than a minute ago, just to see. If the frame rails aren't engaged, the slide to frame geometry changes. The sear does not necessarily interfere with the striker.
And, of course, you don't need the slide to cycle to shoot yourself in the leg. You just need to hit the primer with the striker.
I wouldn't let it stop me from using Glocks...I use them all the time.
But if the question was "is it possible?" the answer is "yep". Try it. It can be done.
And in fact you can easily get the striker to protrude from the breechface...I did it myself, less than a minute ago, just to see. If the frame rails aren't engaged, the slide to frame geometry changes. The sear does not necessarily interfere with the striker.
And, of course, you don't need the slide to cycle to shoot yourself in the leg. You just need to hit the primer with the striker.
I wouldn't let it stop me from using Glocks...I use them all the time.
But if the question was "is it possible?" the answer is "yep". Try it. It can be done.
Can i ask how you loaded the chamber if the slide doesnt move?
Other then that, all i see is you guys pissing into the wind on opinions. both your opinions are very likely right.
is my S&W M&P just as safe as the possible/impossible glock?
Because the gun wouldn't have necessarily been loaded with two broken rails.
Nobody is saying it's likely at all.
But when I see people saying "that's impossible" I think it's worth pointing out that it's actually totally possible under the right conditions.
Nobody is saying it's likely at all.
But when I see people saying "that's impossible" I think it's worth pointing out that it's actually totally possible under the right conditions.
The M&P is slightly less idiot proof than the Glock, especially when fitted with an Apex sear which removes even more of the profile from the camming action of the sear. There's much less camming of the sear before the striker falls in the M&P design, it's really just the radius of the arc of the bump on the sear before release. I asked Randy Lee of Apex about calling the M&P "double action" and he agreed that it was pretty much just a label, especially with their sear installed. Honestly though, if people weren't complete fools, and didn't abuse and neglect their pistols to "prove how tough" they are, we wouldn't have these issues.
