Weird longbranch

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I got that weird 1944 longbranch today, 5 grooved barrel, c broad arrow markings everywhere, rear handguard is not grooved, no import marks, no ftr marks... There was a rubber piece like some sort of bedding abour 6" from the muzzle. This is the first time that i see a canadian service rifle that is not 2 grooved, except for 4t. Can someone give me more info? By the way the rifle do not have rcmp markings.

Thank you
 
I have a '44 LB with the same 5-groove barrel and the smooth rear hand guard. I would suspect it was refurbished post war even though there is no FTR. A couple of pics would help
 
5 groove barrels are from the Inglis boring equipment that Long Branch bought after Inglus stopped making a tens to concentrate on washing machines.
 
No such thing as import marks in Canada. That's strictly American. 'FTR' is Brit.
As I recall, 5 groove barrels are post war. Check the headspace and go shoot it.
 
I have a '42 with '42 dated 5 groove. It has the RB/46 Mark applied during FTR at Long Branch in 46. It has the smooth handguard too. Money on it this is the same with yours. Mine has the Ishy screw and did a tour in India before coming back here and being sold to me by P&S a few years ago.
 
Sight unseen, the piece of rubber is probably a bedding trick. The barrel on a No.4 flips and whips when fired. The smart shooter would use the flexing foreend as a dampener for the barrel. Properly bedded, a No.4 barrel has downward pressure at the muzzle and pushes away from the top wood. If the complicated bedding surfaces can't be made to cooperate naturally, then a little help is necessary.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
Sight unseen, the piece of rubber is probably a bedding trick. The barrel on a No.4 flips and whips when fired. The smart shooter would use the flexing foreend as a dampener for the barrel. Properly bedded, a No.4 barrel has downward pressure at the muzzle and pushes away from the top wood. If the complicated bedding surfaces can't be made to cooperate naturally, then a little help is necessary.
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I do not know where you got your information but a No.4 Enfield rifle is to have "UP PRESSURE" meaning the fore stock should applying 2 to 7 pounds of force pushing upward on the bottom of the barrel. This up pressure is regulated at the rear of the fore stock by the draws area that acts like the 2nd missing bedding screw.

Standard bedding and center bedding is covered in your Canadian No.4 manual at the link below.

http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerdog/generalstorage/edhortonmanuals/No4Mk1Arm.pdf

My apologies maple_leaf_eh, but I know of no rifle in the world the requires "down pressure" on the barrel. And the standard Remington 700 has 3 to 9 pounds of up pressure at the fore end tip and just like the Enfield rifle this up pressure is used to "tune" the rifle by controlling barrel vibrations.
 
Pressure Up or Pressure Down. I learned that the test is to raise the barrel off the foreend. That seems like down pressure to me. Para 18, page 4-6 of your link.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
Pressure Up or Pressure Down. I learned that the test is to raise the barrel off the foreend. That seems like down pressure to me. Para 18, page 4-6 of your link.
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I'm not Superman and can't bend a rifle barrel, "BUT" I can pull the fore stock away from the barrel. Meaning the fore end of the stock is pushing upward on the bottom of the barrel.

NOTE: All No.4 Enfield rifles sent to Holland & Holland for conversion to No.4 (T) sniper rifle were rejected and sent back to their owning organization if the rifle did not have the required 2 to 7 pounds of UP PRESSURE at the fore end tip.

The above is from the book below.

"An Armourer's Perspective: .303 No.4(T) Sniper Rifle and the Holland and Holland connection" By Capt. Peter Laidler and Ian Skennerton.

Please read the link below.

Understanding Barrel Bedding
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/rifles/understanding-barrel-bedding/
 
Pull the rear handguard off. If the two digit barrel install date on the chamber is the same or within a year of the receivers date of manufacture it is original. As I stated before, Long Branch rifles refurbed at Long Branch may have a different refurb mark such as RB 11/46 or similar somewhere on the receiver. An Indian refurbed rifle may be scrubbed or have no marks added. Etc.
 
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